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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #60 on: September 27, 2020, 08:39:27 AM »
I'm as guilty as anyone, but let's try to keep this thread positive, proactive, and practical. If you have ideas on things that can be done on a personal or community level, post them here. Even if you don't have a solution, but there's an issue you experienced or noticed from before Pesach that you feel should be addressed, post it here.
One suggestion: everyone should stop bashing rabbonim, effective immediately. And I mean all talk, even those who add disclaimers.

“I’m sure I’m not understanding him or Hashem is withholding wisdom because he wants the pandemic to spread, but I can’t talk to my Rav anymore because he turned into a brainless zombie who is trying to get us all killed.”

Any talk that denotes even a smattering of disrespect towards our rabbonim is deadly. It counters all the good of these forums.

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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #61 on: September 27, 2020, 10:44:50 AM »
One suggestion: everyone should stop bashing rabbonim, effective immediately. And I mean all talk, even those who add disclaimers.

“I’m sure I’m not understanding him or Hashem is withholding wisdom because he wants the pandemic to spread, but I can’t talk to my Rav anymore because he turned into a brainless zombie who is trying to get us all killed.”

Any talk that denotes even a smattering of disrespect towards our rabbonim is deadly. It counters all the good of these forums.

I agree with this sentiment, even though it is much harder to translate into practice.
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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #62 on: September 27, 2020, 10:57:12 AM »


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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #63 on: September 27, 2020, 10:58:51 AM »
One suggestion: everyone should stop bashing rabbonim, effective immediately. And I mean all talk, even those who add disclaimers.

“I’m sure I’m not understanding him or Hashem is withholding wisdom because he wants the pandemic to spread, but I can’t talk to my Rav anymore because he turned into a brainless zombie who is trying to get us all killed.”

Any talk that denotes even a smattering of disrespect towards our rabbonim is deadly. It counters all the good of these forums.
If only we would respect Jewish lives and health half as much as we respect the Rabbis
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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #64 on: September 27, 2020, 11:01:48 AM »
We should be careful not to bash rabbonim by name (as I think most people here have refrained from), but their positions are fair game.

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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #65 on: September 27, 2020, 11:08:14 AM »
We should be careful not to bash rabbonim by name (as I think most people here have refrained from), but their positions are fair game.
Even if everyone knows who you’re talking about????

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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #66 on: September 27, 2020, 11:11:02 AM »
Even if everyone knows who you’re talking about????
I actually have no idea of a single rabbi by name in Lakewood other than the heads of BMG (maybe, and I don't even know who's who). If any of my posts seemed to call out a specific rabbi, it was purely coincidental.

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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #67 on: September 27, 2020, 11:40:02 AM »
I actually have no idea of a single rabbi by name in Lakewood other than the heads of BMG (maybe, and I don't even know who's who). If any of my posts seemed to call out a specific rabbi, it was purely coincidental.
You criticize certain shuls for doing things. How is that not singling out a rov?

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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #68 on: September 27, 2020, 11:43:45 AM »
Shul =/= rov.

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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #69 on: September 27, 2020, 11:47:23 AM »
Shul =/= rov.
You believe that shuls do things without consulting their rov?

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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #70 on: September 27, 2020, 12:27:33 PM »
You believe that shuls do things without consulting their rov?
I KNOW that some do.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #71 on: September 27, 2020, 12:33:13 PM »
One suggestion: everyone should stop bashing rabbonim, effective immediately. And I mean all talk, even those who add disclaimers.

“I’m sure I’m not understanding him or Hashem is withholding wisdom because he wants the pandemic to spread, but I can’t talk to my Rav anymore because he turned into a brainless zombie who is trying to get us all killed.”

Any talk that denotes even a smattering of disrespect towards our rabbonim is deadly. It counters all the good of these forums.

Why ?

Why do rabbanim get a free pass ?

If people won't take health precautions because rabbanim didn't rule so, the rabbanim should be taken to task. Maybe not bashed, but to task.

The earlier premise was that rabbanim didn't get involved. We see clearly that's it's dray aroom!

Every day I see corona deaths whether on kikar shabbas or wherever and pleas to support almanos and yesomim.

But a cognitive dissonance and a refusal to act is causing untold deaths, are they taking achrayos for the lives lost? For the almanos and yesomim?

Anyways, I can't recall ever mentioning somebody. I have no idea the name of a single rabbi in lakewood.

I address the broader situation. No one can claim they didn't know.

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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #72 on: September 27, 2020, 01:41:56 PM »
One suggestion: everyone should stop bashing rabbonim, effective immediately. And I mean all talk, even those who add disclaimers.

“I’m sure I’m not understanding him or Hashem is withholding wisdom because he wants the pandemic to spread, but I can’t talk to my Rav anymore because he turned into a brainless zombie who is trying to get us all killed.”

Any talk that denotes even a smattering of disrespect towards our rabbonim is deadly. It counters all the good of these forums.
I agree. No more from me on this.
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #73 on: September 27, 2020, 01:43:25 PM »
Why ?

Why do rabbanim get a free pass ?

If people won't take health precautions because rabbanim didn't rule so, the rabbanim should be taken to task. Maybe not bashed, but to task.

The earlier premise was that rabbanim didn't get involved. We see clearly that's it's dray aroom!

Every day I see corona deaths whether on kikar shabbas or wherever and pleas to support almanos and yesomim.

But a cognitive dissonance and a refusal to act is causing untold deaths, are they taking achrayos for the lives lost? For the almanos and yesomim?

Anyways, I can't recall ever mentioning somebody. I have no idea the name of a single rabbi in lakewood.

I address the broader situation. No one can claim they didn't know.
They don't get a free pass. This is probably just not the right forum for it.
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #74 on: September 27, 2020, 01:57:34 PM »
Why ?

Why do rabbanim get a free pass ?

If people won't take health precautions because rabbanim didn't rule so, the rabbanim should be taken to task. Maybe not bashed, but to task.

The earlier premise was that rabbanim didn't get involved. We see clearly that's it's dray aroom!

Every day I see corona deaths whether on kikar shabbas or wherever and pleas to support almanos and yesomim.

But a cognitive dissonance and a refusal to act is causing untold deaths, are they taking achrayos for the lives lost? For the almanos and yesomim?

Anyways, I can't recall ever mentioning somebody. I have no idea the name of a single rabbi in lakewood.

I address the broader situation. No one can claim they didn't know.
I am a Maamin B'Hashem. I do histadlus. Taking rabbanim to task is not in anybody's book of histadlus. It only makes hell a lot hotter, and any illness a lot worse.

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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #75 on: September 27, 2020, 02:13:43 PM »
Why ?

Why do rabbanim get a free pass ?

If people won't take health precautions because rabbanim didn't rule so, the rabbanim should be taken to task. Maybe definitely not bashed, but to task.

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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #76 on: September 27, 2020, 02:17:37 PM »
I am a Maamin B'Hashem. I do histadlus. Taking rabbanim to task is not in anybody's book of histadlus. It only makes hell a lot hotter, and any illness a lot worse.

The issue is a lot more nuanced than bash or stay silent. I'm from a generation who suffered greatly from the silence of rabbonim on the issues of abuse, addiction, mental health, and waves of people going OTD. Noise is what got rabbonim to stand up and address each of these things, to the point where they are all immeasurably less stigmatized today than they were 20 years ago. There is definitely a line that shouldn't be crossed, but silence and emunah isn't necessarily the answer, either.

Back on topic: https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/grocery-stores-food-producers-beef-up-inventory-for-potential-second-wave-of-covid-19-holiday-shopping-rush
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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #78 on: September 27, 2020, 02:51:43 PM »
תלמידי קרח were punished even though they followed ׳דעת תורה׳ of one of the נשיאים and leaders of the generation.

לא תסור מכל אשר יורוך refers to Sanhedrin of 70 sitting in לשכת הגזית.

Even an innocent baby during birth can be considered Rodef, so having been instructed by a Rabbi to do something has zero impact on wether or not one is a rodef.
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר – יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

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Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi
« Reply #79 on: September 29, 2020, 12:24:51 AM »
How about we keep all criticism an critique of raabonim (including the 'legitimate/important' criticism) out of this thread, in the name of keeping it constructive