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Re: MAGA-DRAG
« Reply #120 on: November 02, 2020, 12:05:04 AM »
itís pushing other countries to give peace a shot.
Itís true itís probably more beneficial for Israelis than Americans but you asked about benefits to Jews so thereís one
I just don't buy into the whole "what's good for the Israeli gov't is good for the Jews". People mix them up and they're not the same. But that's a whole different discussion.

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Re: MAGA-DRAG
« Reply #121 on: November 02, 2020, 12:06:23 AM »
I just don't buy into the whole "what's good for the Israeli gov't is good for the Jews". People mix them up and they're not the same. But that's a whole different discussion.
donít you want to see more people work together in this world?
nothings impossible- the word itself says Im possible

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Re: MAGA-DRAG
« Reply #122 on: November 02, 2020, 12:08:02 AM »
I just don't buy into the whole "what's good for the Israeli gov't is good for the Jews". People mix them up and they're not the same. But that's a whole different discussion.
Its not mixing them up. Some things do & donít matter to you while others have a different list of what does & doesnít matter to them.

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Re: MAGA-DRAG
« Reply #123 on: November 02, 2020, 12:08:33 AM »
see the last paragraph in Igros Moshe O"Ch 4 66
What about the last sentence? And his personal hanhaga?
Definitely not the pashtus.

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Re: MAGA-DRAG
« Reply #124 on: November 02, 2020, 12:10:25 AM »
donít you want to see more people work together in this world?
The discussion was if it's good for the Jews, not what I want.
Its not mixing them up. Some things do & donít matter to you while others have a different list of what does & doesnít matter to them.
The discussion was if it's good for the Jews, not what matters to me.

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Re: MAGA-DRAG
« Reply #125 on: November 02, 2020, 12:12:00 AM »
What about the last sentence? And his personal hanhaga?
Definitely not the pashtus.
Ein hachi nami, and in the begining of the tshuva plus in others he calls it megunah. I was just adding another perspective, that's all.
Small people talk about other people.
Average people talk about things
BIG PEOPLE TALK ABOUT IDEAS.

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Re: MAGA-DRAG
« Reply #126 on: November 02, 2020, 12:13:51 AM »
Did you not see @aygart 's post? Yidden lay low in galus. Show your gratitude a different way.
Besides Rubashkin, what exactly did he do for Jews anyway?
@TimT Can we go back to the first part of this post? It was my main point.

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Re: MAGA-DRAG
« Reply #127 on: November 02, 2020, 12:14:18 AM »
The discussion was if it's good for the Jews, not what I want.The discussion was if it's good for the Jews, not what matters to me.
And some feel it is good for jews. Youíre entitled to your opinion while theyíre entitled to theirs.

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Re: MAGA-DRAG
« Reply #128 on: November 02, 2020, 02:04:00 AM »
So have a rally for cops. Why Trump?

Whatís the difference?

Funny, I think the rest of the world missed those other things. It was marketed as a Trump Drag for the election, and no one reported on those supposed other goals.

Go to any pro-America, police, or Trump rally, it will have the same participants.
Visibly Jewish

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Re: MAGA-DRAG
« Reply #129 on: November 02, 2020, 03:58:14 AM »
If you look throughout history, whenever Jews became visibly close with a specific leader, we always paid the price when the tides turned and the opposition took over. We became a scapegoat, an easy target. Trump has at most 4 more years. By all means, give him your support. But we gain absolutely nothing by making all this noise and drawing attention to ourselves. We only stand to lose. Remember who we are, where we are, and  why we're here.
Well said

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Re: MAGA-DRAG
« Reply #130 on: November 02, 2020, 08:50:45 AM »
Did you not see @aygart 's post? Yidden lay low in galus. Show your gratitude a different way.
Besides Rubashkin, what exactly did he do for Jews anyway?

What did I write about galus?
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: MAGA-DRAG
« Reply #131 on: November 02, 2020, 09:05:50 AM »
@TimT
Take any article in the last 4 years analyzing the evangelical community, who keeps their collective nose and voted for someone personally so far from their collective values, for utilitarian purposes. Are they annoyed? Yes. Does that portray a thoughtful electorate with specific needs and values, to be reckoned with when the (local?) political need arises? Also yes.

Compare that with the image of uneducated, racist, gun toting bigot rednecks in pickup trucks. There's no 'electable views' there.
The 1st has a huge point and purpose. For the 2nd what's the purpose, ROI, making the התגרות worthwhile?

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Re: MAGA-DRAG
« Reply #132 on: November 02, 2020, 09:38:05 AM »
What did I write about galus?
It was a sparate statement.