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Who Won?

Trump
36 (34.6%)
Biden
25 (24%)
Tie
3 (2.9%)
Neither
29 (27.9%)
Another COVID Death
11 (10.6%)

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Author Topic: Trump Vs Biden, Debates 2020  (Read 40263 times)

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Re: Trump Vs Biden, Debates 2020
« Reply #120 on: September 30, 2020, 06:52:36 PM »
Because he will pack the court
Not at all an indication that he will. He just doesn't want his supporters who want to pack the court to know that he may not agree.

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Re: Trump Vs Biden, Debates 2020
« Reply #121 on: September 30, 2020, 06:54:02 PM »
How epic if debate mod gets a button to turn off a candidates mic?!
but then trump can just yell
I think they may also cut the camera shot from the one not speaking. Sometimes, body language is more powerful than the words spoken, although it's not as disturbing.

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Re: Trump Vs Biden, Debates 2020
« Reply #122 on: September 30, 2020, 06:57:26 PM »
I think they may also cut the camera shot from the one not speaking. Sometimes, body language is more powerful than the words spoken, although it's not as disturbing.
I think body language of the opponent was a big thing even before trump. Hope they dont cut it out. (Plus Biden had plenty to express when trump was speaking.
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Re: Trump Vs Biden, Debates 2020
« Reply #123 on: September 30, 2020, 06:59:53 PM »
Trump= very pro Jew+autocracy+dumb
Biden=less pro jew+democracy+old
Putin=pro Jew+autocracy+smart

Biden>Putin>Trump

Where in the world did you conjure up that fantasy about Biden and his party? Did you notice any hint of a democratic process there, or is it more like the party bosses calling the shots in a poorly veiled sham democratic process?
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Trump Vs Biden, Debates 2020
« Reply #124 on: September 30, 2020, 07:01:59 PM »
Proof Biden didn't wear a wire: Because I'm sure Trump had a top hacker nearby trying to find the frequency and replace it with gibberish...

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Re: Trump Vs Biden, Debates 2020
« Reply #125 on: September 30, 2020, 07:02:46 PM »
FTFY
Just wait till Politico picks up that he actually did this!



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Re: Trump Vs Biden, Debates 2020
« Reply #126 on: September 30, 2020, 07:04:16 PM »
Proof Biden didn't wear a wire: Because I'm sure Trump had a top hacker nearby trying to find the frequency and replace it with gibberish...

 8)
he wouldnt have to replace it with gibberish, he could just turn it off and the gibberish would come out by itself

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Re: Trump Vs Biden, Debates 2020
« Reply #127 on: September 30, 2020, 07:07:23 PM »
Read the transcript of the exchange, he repeated what Wallace wanted him to say, the NARRATIVE PUSHED IS JUST SUCH A LIE. Why doesn't the media hold biden to task for not condemning ANTIFA.... Also who said PB is a white supremacist group, some of the main guys there are not even white. BP does not advocate for Racism or alike and actually call for "Anti-Racism" They might be doing better then BLM, an openly Marxist organization, yet biden wont call them out and the big M wont even ask him basic questions. 

Instead of relying on lefty ADL or SPLC  (whom SPLC resulted in violence) on info about PB, check their website to see what they say. SPLC labels groups that are anti abortion.

WALLACE: You have repeatedly criticized the vice president for not specifically calling out antifa and other left-wing extremist groups. But are you willing, tonight, to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we've seen in Portland? Are you prepared to specifically do that?

TRUMP: Sure, I'm prepared to do that. But I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing, not from the right wing. If you look, I'm willing to do anything. I want to see peace.

WALLACE: Then do it, sir.

BIDEN: Do it. Say it.

TRUMP: You want to call them? What do you want to call them? Give me a name, give me a name, go ahead — who would you like me to condemn?

WALLACE: White supremacists, white supremacists and right-wing militia.

TRUMP: Proud Boys, stand back and stand by. But I'll tell you what: Somebody's got to do something about antifa and the left. Because this is not a right-wing problem — this is a left-wing problem.


As a side note who in Kenosha was right wing? again a lefty LIE.
+1000

Trump was about to openly condemn White Supremacists and he asked what exactly they wanted him to say - in what seems to be an effort to give a condemnation that they would not be able to twist. Biden then said the words Proud Boys, and Trump went ahead to use Wallace's words, which he accidently screwed up, and conflated stand down with stand by. (Similar to his recent mistake between herd mentality and herd immunity.

I'm sorry, but I think that an objective person watching will see that he was not trying to get out of condemning White Supremacists. He just flubbed the words he thought they wanted him to say.

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Re: Trump Vs Biden, Debates 2020
« Reply #128 on: September 30, 2020, 07:08:38 PM »
Trump= very pro Jew+autocracy+dumb
Biden=less pro jew+democracy+old
Putin=pro Jew+autocracy+smart

Biden>Putin>Trump

Serious question. How long do you think Biden stays in office for if he gets elected? Also, for as long as he is officially in office, how much of his agenda gets pushed vs Harris'?
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Re: Trump Vs Biden, Debates 2020
« Reply #129 on: September 30, 2020, 07:10:14 PM »
+1000

Trump was about to openly condemn White Supremacists and he asked what exactly they wanted him to say - in what seems to be an effort to give a condemnation that they would not be able to twist. Biden then said the words Proud Boys, and Trump went ahead to use Wallace's words, which he accidently screwed up, and conflated stand down with stand by. (Similar to his recent mistake between herd mentality and herd immunity.

I'm sorry, but I think that an objective person watching will see that he was not trying to get out of condemning White Supremacists. He just flubbed the words he thought they wanted him to say.
I think you're correct with this one. That was one of the snippets that I watched yesterday. I got the same impression.

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Re: Trump Vs Biden, Debates 2020
« Reply #130 on: September 30, 2020, 07:14:53 PM »

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Re: Trump Vs Biden, Debates 2020
« Reply #131 on: September 30, 2020, 07:24:55 PM »
Trump is so dumb, and also Trump in a split second siezed the opportunity to send out a dog whistle when asked to say stand down, telling the proud boys to stand back and stand by.

That's 4d chess Trump not dumb Trump. So pick one.
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Re: Trump Vs Biden, Debates 2020
« Reply #132 on: September 30, 2020, 07:39:01 PM »
Link?

Literally the first words out of his mouth in response to the question.

Wallace:Are you prepared to condemn white supremacists?
TRUMP:Sure, I'm prepared to do that.

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Re: Trump Vs Biden, Debates 2020
« Reply #133 on: September 30, 2020, 07:40:36 PM »
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Trump Vs Biden, Debates 2020
« Reply #134 on: September 30, 2020, 07:41:50 PM »
Trump is so dumb, and also Trump in a split second siezed the opportunity to send out a dog whistle when asked to say stand down, telling the proud boys to stand back and stand by.

That's 4d chess Trump not dumb Trump. So pick one.
What's new?
He's Also the richest and poorest president in history.

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Re: Trump Vs Biden, Debates 2020
« Reply #135 on: September 30, 2020, 07:43:07 PM »
What's new?
He's Also the richest and poorest president in history.
Correct. I liked that particular take after the tax return dump.
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Re: Trump Vs Biden, Debates 2020
« Reply #136 on: September 30, 2020, 07:49:14 PM »
He condemns the violence and rioting all the time.

Please show me a single time he condemned violence where he didn't make it about "both sides"

To the extent he supports the BLM movement, he supports only the non-violent aspects of the movement (and certainly not any parts of the movement that deal in anti-semitism).

So you are ok with Biden working with anti-semites when they agree with him, but Trump's alleged "dog whistles" are unacceptable?

But history has shown that the deadliest anti-semitic movements arise from the far right, not the far left.

You might want to look up Stalin (or any history book).


He has repeatedly distanced himself from far left policies throughout the campaign, including during last night's debate (see: green new deal,

Except that he spoke favorable about it 10 seconds before that.

Far left anti-semites hate Biden.

Linda Sarsour is a campaign surrogate

Far-right anti-semites love trump. And Trump warms up to them more and more as the campaign goes on.

David Duke endorsed Joe Biden
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Re: Trump Vs Biden, Debates 2020
« Reply #137 on: September 30, 2020, 07:59:00 PM »

David Duke endorsed Joe Biden
Does that mean he's pro Trump?
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Re: Trump Vs Biden, Debates 2020
« Reply #138 on: September 30, 2020, 08:00:22 PM »
Literally the first words out of his mouth in response to the question.

Wallace:Are you prepared to condemn white supremacists?
TRUMP:Sure, I'm prepared to do that.
I am prepared to give you $1,000,000.

Now please send me just $10,000. After all I just gave you $1,000,000.

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Re: Trump Vs Biden, Debates 2020
« Reply #139 on: September 30, 2020, 08:40:07 PM »
Please show me a single time he condemned violence where he didn't make it about "both sides"
So a condemnation of violence is only a condemnation if you don't also talk about the larger context?

But also, to appease you, here https://twitter.com/AndrewSolender/status/1300154328347537408/photo/1 and here https://medium.com/@JoeBiden/we-are-a-nation-furious-at-injustice-9dcffd81978f.

So you are ok with Biden working with anti-semites when they agree with him, but Trump's alleged "dog whistles" are unacceptable?

You think all the peaceful protesters are anti-semites? BLM is a huge, decentralized movement. There are definitely problematic organizations associated with them, but come on, the thousands of people protesting police brutality aren't anti-semites. They're protesting police brutality. The ADL and more than 600 Jewish orgs support the movement.

You might want to look up Stalin (or any history book).

ok. Picked up "The Last Days of the Incas." didn't prove your point weirdly. Oh well.

Except that he spoke favorable about it 10 seconds before that.

What's "it" here? Violence and rioting? If so, source? Pretty sure he condemned that.

Linda Sarsour is a campaign surrogate
she literally isn't. where do you read this stuff?
David Duke endorsed Joe Biden
Again... this is patently false? Duke endorsed Trump again in July....
I can do you the solid of assuming you meant to say Richard Spencer, who yes, did endorse Biden (who immediately denounced the endorsement btw), saying his endorsement was "not for ideological reasons but because Biden was more competent."