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What are your shuls plans for Simchas Torah?
« on: September 30, 2020, 04:27:53 PM »
With RH/YK in the rear view mirror we are all hopefully looking forward to Succos and Simchas Torah.

Simchas Torah probably presents the biggest covid spread risk since Purim. While RH/YK saw many shuls davening with a full house and without masks the risk for Simchas Torah would seem much greater. On RH/YK you are mostly staying in one place seated near the same people. You are also mostly facing forward and for many  you are often under a talis. Contrast that with Simchas Torah with everyone singing and dancing all around in circles basically crossing paths with everyone in shul. One infected person can potentially trigger a superspreader event r"l. Chassunos were seemingly a big factor in starting the spread of the current wave. Simchas torah in some ways has many of the same charactiristics.

With the situation fluid as it is I don't think many shuls have made a decision yet about Simchas Torah. What is your Shul doing? What should shuls be doing? What are you doing?

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Re: What are your shuls plans for Simchas Torah?
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2020, 04:33:03 PM »
There is discussion taking place about simchas torah at the community as well as at the klal level among the Rabbonim.

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Re: What are your shuls plans for Simchas Torah?
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2020, 04:55:08 PM »
With the situation fluid as it is I don't think many shuls have made a decision yet about Simchas Torah. What is your Shul doing? What should shuls be doing? What are you doing?

My regular shul basically canceled Simchas Torah dancing, which is strange (but good) because they haven't taken any precautions before.
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Re: What are your shuls plans for Simchas Torah?
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2020, 07:00:19 PM »
Perhaps they can have dancing in place. Or kumzitz style simchas torah

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Re: What are your shuls plans for Simchas Torah?
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2020, 07:08:23 PM »
I've heard of shuls planning to have each family dance together, though that still requires sufficient space to do so safely.

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Re: What are your shuls plans for Simchas Torah?
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2020, 03:57:09 AM »
How abt this year simchas torah, we do what the torah wants us to do?

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Re: What are your shuls plans for Simchas Torah?
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2020, 06:35:29 AM »
How abt this year simchas torah, we do what the torah wants us to do?

Which is...?
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Re: What are your shuls plans for Simchas Torah?
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2020, 07:59:50 AM »
Which is...?

Listen to what your LOR says.

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Re: What are your shuls plans for Simchas Torah?
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2020, 08:03:20 AM »
Which is...?
V'chai bahem, obviously.

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Re: What are your shuls plans for Simchas Torah?
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2020, 08:44:10 AM »
Perhaps they can have dancing in place. Or kumzitz style simchas torah

Sitting in enclosed room and singing together is not exactly safe. Singing is one of best ways to transmit.


The main thing is ventilation and getting outdoors. Having people dancing with gloves ect basically misses the boat on main transmission methods

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Re: What are your shuls plans for Simchas Torah?
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2020, 08:53:41 AM »
This virus is turning the frum world into a bunch of Lubavitchers. First mivtza shofar blows up, and now everyone will be dancing in the streets on ST.
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Re: What are your shuls plans for Simchas Torah?
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2020, 08:54:36 AM »
How about everyone in masks, only those holding the sifrei torah are permitted to dance, everyone gets a 2 minute hakafa, should take 30 minutes. Possibly outdoors if weather allows.
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Re: What are your shuls plans for Simchas Torah?
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2020, 09:01:58 AM »
Sitting in enclosed room and singing together is not exactly safe. Singing is one of best ways to transmit.


The main thing is ventilation and getting outdoors. Having people dancing with gloves ect basically misses the boat on main transmission methods
was talking about with masks obviously. Anywhere that's not wearing masks will prob just have regular hakafos anyhow

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Re: What are your shuls plans for Simchas Torah?
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2020, 09:32:22 AM »
Not a serious proposition:
Have an oversized, playground style, merry-go round!
Enough space for everyone to distance and still "dancing" in a circle!
(Maybe this belongs in the bad jokes and puns thread)

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Re: What are your shuls plans for Simchas Torah?
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2020, 05:23:12 PM »
There is discussion taking place about simchas torah at the community as well as at the klal level among the Rabbonim.

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Re: What are your shuls plans for Simchas Torah?
« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2020, 05:33:28 PM »
rumors going around are that bmg is canceling simchas bais hasoeiva and limiting simchas torah but will change as it gets closer to yom tov

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Re: What are your shuls plans for Simchas Torah?
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2020, 09:26:54 PM »
rumors going around are that bmg is canceling simchas bais hasoeiva and limiting simchas torah but will change as it gets closer to yom tov
Is there seriously a tzad of having a Simchas Bais Hashoeiva?
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Re: What are your shuls plans for Simchas Torah?
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2020, 10:37:50 PM »
Is there seriously a tzad of having a Simchas Bais Hashoeiva?
You really don’t have a clue of what it’s like in Lakewood, do you? There is zero tzad it will be cancelled completely, at least as far as the current situation.
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Re: What are your shuls plans for Simchas Torah?
« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2020, 10:42:02 PM »
How about everyone in masks, only those holding the sifrei torah are permitted to dance, everyone gets a 2 minute hakafa, should take 30 minutes. Possibly outdoors if weather allows.
wipe down the Torah with Clorox wipes in between people

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Re: What are your shuls plans for Simchas Torah?
« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2020, 01:42:06 AM »
wipe down the Torah with Clorox wipes in between people

No need they’re putting hand sanitizer at the entrance and a big sign saying “you must wear a mask והמבין יבין״.
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