Deblasio Shutting 9 ZIP Codes Again

[Boruch Parnes]

And they’re the ones walking the streets today. Do as I say not as I do.

their the ones who didnt do any enforcment today 

[junion]

https://twitter.com/HikindDov/status/1314325816386506753?s=20

anyone know which judge will be by the hearing?

[Yehuda57]

anyone know which judge will be by the hearing?

Kiyo A. Matsumoto

[Afrages6]

Kiyo A. Matsumoto

Bush appointee

[AsherO]

If you thought for a second there'll be enforcement in NYC. LOL.
https://twitter.com/misaskim/status/1314259790525353985

Such a joke, they’re all sitting in close proximity with not a mask in sight.

[SayWhat]

Maybe they should mandate better air filtration in shuls and inspect the HVAC systems. That's more likely to happen and more likely to stop spread.

Vote for Biden/Harris and they will pass the Green New Deal and all buildings will have to be retrofitted with new HVAC.   

[S209]

When? What didn't work? I haven't heard of anyone inspecting HVAC systems. Never mind the fact that they never tried working WITH the frum community.

This is simply untrue. We’ve heard repeatedly for months here how the State and City were working locally with the Yidden to allow them to do what they need to do. We managed to run schools and shuls unmasked and no SD with nary a word from authorities. However, we didn’t keep our end of the deal- don’t let the spread get out of hand.

Why in the world should they trust us now, when we’ve failed so utterly and openly?

[aygart]

This is simply untrue. We’ve heard repeatedly for months here how the State and City were working locally with the Yidden to allow them to do what they need to do. We managed to run schools and shuls unmasked and no SD with nary a word from authorities. However, we didn’t keep our end of the deal- don’t let the spread get out of hand.

Why in the world should they trust us now, when we’ve failed so utterly and openly?

What of that is working together? Sounds more like ignoring.

[S209]

What of that is working together? Sounds more like ignoring.

I seem to remember quite a few posters here lecturing us that it’s not illegal because they know what’s going on and aren’t doing anything to stop it, because they ok’d it behind closed doors as long as we contain the spread, but if we can’t control it, all bets are off.

If you mean what we did in response, correct.

[avromie7]

I seem to remember quite a few posters here lecturing us that it’s not illegal because they know what’s going on and aren’t doing anything to stop it, because they ok’d it behind closed doors as long as we contain the spread, but if we can’t control it, all bets are off.

If you mean what we did in response, correct.

Do you really think they're that stupid?

[yesitsme]

https://twitter.com/Rongx88/status/1314258993963991040

https://twitter.com/bitsky68/status/1314272661049090050

[S209]

Here are some quotes from a thread that’s now locked

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=116189.msg2256804#msg2256804

Now you got it! It was listed as some type of daycare, which is legal. It's called a loophole, probably by the advice of their local officials.

Many places that are open are using different loopholes by the advice of local officials.

The Governor has given a lot of power to local officials to translate and enforce the laws as they see fit. For example, in many areas they are allowing Kolelim to open. No davening, no shiurim, and no meals. So it's not a gathering. Just a bunch of groups of two.

Yes, this is a fact. Albany is allowing kolelim if local officials are ok with it.

There are shuls and Yeshivos legally open in NJ. There are shuls and Yeshivas legally open in Monsey, Boro Park, Williamsburg, and all over the place. The Five Towns was the first to close, and will be the last to open. That is nothing to be proud of. And it's not our leadership to blame. It is us. If we would be begging our leadership and showing we sincerely want to be invited back to our mekomos haKedoshim, they would push more and advocate harder for us. In matter of fact, there are a few places here who will legally open any day now. They will be getting special permission because they are pushing harder. I know a Rov who is busy all day with connections in Albany trying to get his place open.

There is legal as in Gov Murphy signing an executive order that bicycle shops can open and there is legal as in getting govt and law enforcement to agree to tolerate something but the minute there is pushback it's over (see chasunos in Lakewood after pesach)

[aygart]

I seem to remember quite a few posters here lecturing us that it’s not illegal because they know what’s going on and aren’t doing anything to stop it, because they ok’d it behind closed doors as long as we contain the spread, but if we can’t control it, all bets are off.

If you mean what we did in response, correct.

What about turning a blind eye is working together?

[Lurker]

What about turning a blind eye is working together?

Come on... what about it isn't?

[S209]

What about turning a blind eye is working together?

What would you consider working with the frum community? Does letting them do whatever they want as long as they keep a handle on COVID not qualify?

[aygart]

What would you consider working with the frum community? Does letting them do whatever they want as long as they keep a handle on COVID not qualify?

No that does not qualify at all. Working together means trying to discuss things with them and find a workable solution for everyone. Did they make any attempt at figuring out something which would work and have the community on their side? Not that I saw. THAT would be leadership, not giving up.

[Lurker]

No that does not qualify at all. Working together means trying to discuss things with them and find a workable solution for everyone. Did they make any attempt at figuring out something which would work and have the community on their side? Not that I saw. THAT would be leadership, not giving up.

No one said anything about good leadership. That doesn't mean turning a bind eye isn't working with them.

[aygart]

No one said anything about good leadership. That doesn't mean turning a bind eye isn't working with them.

How is ignoring called working with them?

[S209]

No that does not qualify at all. Working together means trying to discuss things with them and find a workable solution for everyone. Did they make any attempt at figuring out something which would work and have the community on their side? Not that I saw. THAT would be leadership, not giving up.

Just because they are dumb and inefficient doesn’t mean they went into this trying to be overly harsh to Jews. They weren’t interested in this happening either. It’s a bit late to complain about it now when it was biyadeinu to do so earlier.

[Lurker]

How is ignoring called working with them?

You're involved in enough askonus to know how things work.