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Re: What a Chilul Hashem. Anyone else watching Cuomo's Press Conf?
« Reply #40 on: October 05, 2020, 11:06:04 PM »
If a mask work, why the 6 ft. Distancing?
If 6 ft. Distancing works, why the mask?
If both work, why the shutdown?
If the shutdown work, why the need for a vaccine?
If the vaccine is safe, why the “no liability” clause?

Just thinking!!!

Typical pilpul stupidity.

We have discussed endlessly all of these points.

You, decided that you know better than everyone.

All that was asked, was minimal adherence to the rules

Now you pay the price

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Re: What a Chilul Hashem. Anyone else watching Cuomo's Press Conf?
« Reply #41 on: October 05, 2020, 11:07:25 PM »
If a mask work, why the 6 ft. Distancing?
If 6 ft. Distancing works, why the mask?
If both work, why the shutdown?
If the shutdown work, why the need for a vaccine?
If the vaccine is safe, why the “no liability” clause?

Just thinking!!!
If seat belts work then why airbags?
If airbags work why seat belts?
If both work then why driver's licenses?
If driver's licenses work then why the police?
If rollerskating is safe then why the "no liability" clause?

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Re: What a Chilul Hashem. Anyone else watching Cuomo's Press Conf?
« Reply #42 on: October 06, 2020, 02:31:48 AM »


I am so Embarrassed. Cuomo is on a 1 hour rant and counting, showing pictures of thousands and thousands of people gathered at events, weddings, shuls all un masked all basically within arms length. HES GOING TO SHUT IT DOWN. These rabbis, these shuls that are not limiting the amount of people in and those that are not enforcing masks will ruin it for everyone else. You can Shukel all you want in shul, if your are not wearing a mask, if you are allowing more than 25-50% capacity in your beit midrash. you are causing a chilul Hashem and doing the EXACT opposite what hashem wants us to do. Its disgusting and I am fed up with this!  My shul has a sign up list, with a guard at the door. we are at 25% capacity at a time..All masks must be worn. If NY shuts down shuls its all because of those few who are ruining it for everyone else..And that you will have to answer to Hashem.  WEAR A FREAKING MASK and LIMUT SHUL CAPACITY!
A Kiddush Hashem is doing God's will regardless of what people think or say.
Don't chunk Cuomo's disapprovals with God's will.

With that being said, this is not a comment on what's right here, rather on the shaming of fellow Jews, and the potential chilul hashem there.
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Re: What a Chilul Hashem. Anyone else watching Cuomo's Press Conf?
« Reply #43 on: October 06, 2020, 02:39:29 AM »


If driver's licenses work then why the police?
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Re: What a Chilul Hashem. Anyone else watching Cuomo's Press Conf?
« Reply #44 on: October 06, 2020, 02:42:30 AM »
Maybe people should have thought about that when minimal restrictions would have been adequate. Amy closure now is purely on the shoulders of those who couldn't deal with any changes at all. Now it is too late for that and these full closures which were totally unneeded are more and more likely. Thanks guys.

In a perfect world what do minimal restrictions accomplish? And do increased restrictions accomplish the same thing albeit with more pain and suffering?

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Re: What a Chilul Hashem. Anyone else watching Cuomo's Press Conf?
« Reply #45 on: October 06, 2020, 03:12:31 AM »
In a perfect world what do minimal restrictions accomplish?

They accomplish going back to normal more or less, less dead people, less hospitalized and less long term effects, less lockdowns.

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And do increased restrictions accomplish the same thing albeit with more pain and suffering?
Not really comparable at all. Wearing a mask is like brushing your teeth. Sure it’s a bit annoying and doesn’t taste great but a little annoyance keeps everything clean. Increased restrictions is when you have an infected tooth and now you need a root canal to stop the infection from spreading and causing more damage. Once the root canal is done you hopefully remember to brush your teeth more often so you don’t have to suffer through this again.

And good news for all the people that hate brushing their teeth - there a dozens of companies racing to release a relatively safe and painless procedure within the next 3-6 months that will allow people to stop brushing teeth for a long time perhaps even forever.
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Re: What a Chilul Hashem. Anyone else watching Cuomo's Press Conf?
« Reply #46 on: October 06, 2020, 10:41:45 AM »
Nothing to do with efficiency of masks, SD, or anything else. We taunted the beast, and now we'll all be shut down

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Re: What a Chilul Hashem. Anyone else watching Cuomo's Press Conf?
« Reply #47 on: October 06, 2020, 11:19:04 AM »
In a perfect world what do minimal restrictions accomplish? And do increased restrictions accomplish the same thing albeit with more pain and suffering?

You're welx guy.
Then again, you said this not too long ago
The fact of the matter is, the virus is only under control in places it was already reckless, where they clearly obtained some level of herd immunity.  If enough people had it that an infection rate over 1 can't be sustained, you're good, if not, well, that's growing pains.
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Re: What a Chilul Hashem. Anyone else watching Cuomo's Press Conf?
« Reply #48 on: October 06, 2020, 11:26:38 AM »
Then again, you said this not too long ago
I maintain what I said.
Intentionally avoiding the question directly?
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Re: What a Chilul Hashem. Anyone else watching Cuomo's Press Conf?
« Reply #49 on: October 06, 2020, 11:34:30 AM »
I maintain what I said.
Intentionally avoiding the question directly?
Umm. Was Lakewood not hit hard previously? Is this what you call “you’re good”? .2 percent of the total population died in the first wave.
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Re: What a Chilul Hashem. Anyone else watching Cuomo's Press Conf?
« Reply #50 on: October 06, 2020, 11:35:09 AM »
Umm. Was Lakewood not hit hard previously? Is this what you call “you’re good”?
Yes. Yes.
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« Reply #51 on: October 06, 2020, 11:36:34 AM »
Yes. Yes.
Intentionally avoiding the question directly?
What exactly is your question? And there are dozens here in the hospital now. If this is what you meant by “you’re good”, I hate to see what “you’re bad” looks like.

Your inane question on this thread was answered up thread by @yuneeq .

What do lesser restrictions accomplish that greater restrictions don’t? What in the world is your question??
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Re: What a Chilul Hashem. Anyone else watching Cuomo's Press Conf?
« Reply #52 on: October 06, 2020, 11:42:38 AM »


What exactly is your question? And there are dozens here in the hospital now. If this is what you meant by “you’re good”, I hate to see what “you’re bad” looks like.

Your inane question on this thread was answered up thread by @yuneeq .

What do lesser restrictions accomplish that greater restrictions don’t? What in the world is your question??
March is you're bad, April is you're bad.
A pandemic is never good, but weeks and weeks of zero deaths is what we call "relative strength"

But, still....
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Re: What a Chilul Hashem. Anyone else watching Cuomo's Press Conf?
« Reply #53 on: October 06, 2020, 11:45:17 AM »
March is you're bad, April is you're bad.
A pandemic is never good, but weeks and weeks of zero deaths is what we call "relative strength"

Got it. So bad is exactly what happened in March in Lakewood, everything else is good. It’d be useful to check up what straw man means again.

But, still....
Intentionally avoiding the question directly?
What exactly is your question?
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Re: What a Chilul Hashem. Anyone else watching Cuomo's Press Conf?
« Reply #54 on: October 06, 2020, 11:46:03 AM »
In a perfect world what do minimal restrictions accomplish? And do increased restrictions accomplish the same thing albeit with more pain and suffering?

You're welx guy.

I have no clue what your question is and therefore cannot address it.
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Re: What a Chilul Hashem. Anyone else watching Cuomo's Press Conf?
« Reply #55 on: October 06, 2020, 11:58:05 AM »
some of the pics are from years ago   before you accuse research

Some of the pics were from years ago, but if you visited those neighborhoods you saw it yourself.

I went to get a suit shatnes tested in Williamsburg in Elul. The only one wearing a mask on Lee Avenue was a delivery man.

I wore a mask and when I asked someone about masks I was told "no one has been sick since Pesach."

That was my one and only trip to W'burg, but I do visit KGH pretty frequently. Mask compliance is better there, but often the mask is below the nose or chin and outside of major stores like Arons or Seasons, SD is never enforced.

Even when I went to buy daled minim last week, the pop up store had zero SD and maybe 1 out of 3 people wore masks properly.

So yes, some of the pictures may be old, but anyone who is in one of these places knows that reality is people are not masking or SD.

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Re: What a Chilul Hashem. Anyone else watching Cuomo's Press Conf?
« Reply #56 on: October 06, 2020, 07:59:40 PM »
Got it. So bad is exactly what happened in March in Lakewood, everything else is good. It’d be useful to check up what straw man means again.
I have no clue what your question is and therefore cannot address it.
Very simple, what is the game plan, what are you looking to accomplish without saying just "beat covid"
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« Reply #57 on: October 06, 2020, 08:01:19 PM »
Very simple, what is the game plan, what are you looking to accomplish without saying just "beat covid"
ELI5.
Maybe people should have thought about that when minimal restrictions would have been adequate. Amy closure now is purely on the shoulders of those who couldn't deal with any changes at all. Now it is too late for that and these full closures which were totally unneeded are more and more likely. Thanks guys.

The actual answer: Beat COVID (keep people alive/safe/out of the hospital)
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Re: What a Chilul Hashem. Anyone else watching Cuomo's Press Conf?
« Reply #58 on: October 06, 2020, 08:09:28 PM »
The actual answer: Beat COVID (keep people alive/safe/out of the hospital)
Will you explain? Or just say that? FWIW I can say we should all get foot massages daily to beat covid, unless you explain how so, it holds no weight.
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« Reply #59 on: October 06, 2020, 08:17:05 PM »
Will you explain? Or just say that? FWIW I can say we should all get foot massages daily to beat covid, unless you explain how so, it holds no weight.
It’s a bit late now (though better late than never) but we have been pretty vocal with what we should have been doing: wearing masks, social distancing, moving as many events as possible outdoors, limiting the sizes of gatherings, keeping gathering spaces spread out and well ventilated, exercising greater precautions around those who are at the highest risk, and completely stopping all people who have been exposed or recently traveled to a current hotspot from attending any large gatherings
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