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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #100 on: October 07, 2020, 11:14:21 PM »
Kornbluh said "I was just brutally assaulted, hit in the head, and kicked at by an angry crowd of hundreds of community members of the Boro Park protest..."

but what does that have to do with @shaulyaakov ?
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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #101 on: October 07, 2020, 11:15:24 PM »
All you see is him laying on the floor, can't see how bad he was injured.

Moving the goal posts? Claim was that he only got hit with a traffic cone. Video shows he’s knocked out and unconscious for at least a minute. Who to believe, the word of the attackers or the video I can confirm with my eyes?
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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #102 on: October 07, 2020, 11:20:04 PM »
Moving the goal posts? Claim was that he only got hit with a traffic cone. Video shows he’s knocked out and unconscious for at least a minute. Who to believe, the word of the attackers or the video I can confirm with my eyes?
Can't see if he's conscious in the video. I really don't know but as far as what you see in the video, he could've been just laying trying to calm down, or perhaps Hatzalah told him to lay on his stomach, who knows.

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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #103 on: October 07, 2020, 11:21:05 PM »
https://streamable.com/k6pmfx
Only got hit by a Peaceful traffic cone and then passed out from wearing a mask.
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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #104 on: October 07, 2020, 11:22:42 PM »
I denounce any violence and I believe that its never the answer.

But wth do these people think by coming to the protests? To walk away unscathed? These are people that are constantly going against their own community,  constantly tagging Police departments and media in their tweets to bring attention to anything supposedly they claim is wrong and then act like they represent all of Brooklyn because they went on tv....

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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #105 on: October 07, 2020, 11:25:23 PM »
Riot police have arrived.

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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #106 on: October 07, 2020, 11:26:50 PM »
I denounce any violence and I believe that its never the answer.

But wth do these people think by coming to the protests? To walk away unscathed? These are people that are constantly going against their own community,  constantly tagging Police departments and media in their tweets to bring attention to anything supposedly they claim is wrong and then act like they represent all of Brooklyn because they went on tv....
Kornbluh went out tonight to cause trouble and steer it up IMO.

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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #107 on: October 07, 2020, 11:28:52 PM »
Kornbluh went out tonight to cause trouble and steer it up IMO.
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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #108 on: October 07, 2020, 11:35:48 PM »
I denounce any violence and I believe that its never the answer.

But wth do these people think by coming to the protests? To walk away unscathed? These are people that are constantly going against their own community,  constantly tagging Police departments and media in their tweets to bring attention to anything supposedly they claim is wrong and then act like they represent all of Brooklyn because they went on tv....

Is it not unprecedented to attack a community member like that? What they are thinking - “hey us Jews don’t usually try to kill other people, especially other Jews.”
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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #109 on: October 07, 2020, 11:39:00 PM »
Cops are currently consulting with Tischler which streets to block off, LOL.

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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #110 on: October 07, 2020, 11:40:06 PM »
They think "us Jews don't kill other people...

We all Jews think "Us Jews do not מסור Jews and sure don't make a massive chillul hashem live on TV with deblasio...

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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #111 on: October 07, 2020, 11:40:24 PM »
Is it not unprecedented to attack a community member like that? What they are thinking - “hey us Jews don’t usually try to kill other people, especially other Jews.”
He knew exactly what he was walking into.

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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #112 on: October 07, 2020, 11:48:47 PM »
Is it not unprecedented to attack a community member like that? What they are thinking - “hey us Jews don’t usually try to kill other people, especially other Jews.”
They shouldnt be beating people.

I understand Getz didn't see it coming, but why did Kornbluh expect to be treated differently the next day?
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #113 on: October 07, 2020, 11:49:47 PM »
They shouldnt be beating people.

I understand Getz didn't see it coming, but why did Kornbluh expect to be treated differently the next day?
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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #114 on: October 07, 2020, 11:51:12 PM »
They think "us Jews don't kill other people...

We all Jews think "Us Jews do not מסור Jews and sure don't make a massive chillul hashem live on TV with deblasio...

Ah, so what were all those people doing there on the streets? I am sure that following the lead of hotheads like Tischler is a great way to prevent a massive chillul hashem.
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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #115 on: October 08, 2020, 01:33:19 AM »
Tonight’s protest includes music & dancing.
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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #116 on: October 08, 2020, 02:25:59 AM »
Firstly, if you are ever discussing an assault and you find yourself saying "but...", stop right there.

It seems JK was there *doing his job* - being a reporter.

https://twitter.com/ArminRosen/status/1314074183878537217

See this thread. Armin's reporting on frum communities is some of the finest I've seen. JK looks to have been taking him around.

Besides, even if he was there to instigate, there is no excuse for the behavior that was shown towards him. Imagine you had a mob screaming at you like that! That was assault.

What an embarrassing few days to be a Brooklyn frum Jew.

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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #117 on: October 08, 2020, 02:36:21 AM »
You may consider the surrounding him and screaming assault, but no evidence that he was hit in the head like he tweeted.

https://twitter.com/LeeBrewer2NA/status/1314067331040059393
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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #118 on: October 08, 2020, 02:40:37 AM »
He says he was kicked at and hit in the head, no way to see that, and in the scuffle that is in video there are definitely moments that could have happened, especially with that wild mob, it's hard to see. He was spat on and harassed by a mob and a leader that spoke about killing him earlier. I'll give him a pass on slightly exaggerating the events.

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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #119 on: October 08, 2020, 03:18:28 AM »
Regardless of what these 2 fellows have done, it's absolutely despicable the words and actions that were taken against them. In public all the more so. Drawing headlines from national news outlets and large Twitter accounts (including, but not limited to, Jake Tapper and Jerry Nadler).
Even if what they did does qualify as "moser", I don't think you'll find a reputable rabbi out there that would commend these actions.

But let's talk about the 'moser' status. Some people are blindly trusting Heshy, among others, that these guys committed mass Mesira. Per JTA, Kornbluh filed a complaint that a shul was illegally open on Pesach. We're not talking about, for example, someone who whistle-blew, for no reason, on someone committing tax or insurance fraud, sending them to prison. This is something that likely was done for the safety of the community, without arresting or getting any individual in trouble.

Regarding Getz -
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[Getz] had been outspoken in calling for Orthodox Jews to abide by social distancing guidelines.
What a crime. How dare he.

JTA article - https://www.jta.org/2020/04/23/united-states/whistleblowers-in-the-haredi-orthodox-community-have-always-faced-obstacles-coronavirus-is-just-the-latest-example