OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests

[Yehuda57]

You're right, one of them was thought out and the other was spontaneous.

Tischler was speaking out about JK and threatening him before the protests. He has been using violent rhetoric for months. When you add an angry mob to violent rhetoric, you get violence.

The moral equivalencies in this thread are revolting.

[Lurker]

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. We can come up with many differences, I don't see either side as better than the other.

I'm not defending people who beat someone up and you shouldn't be defending a moiser.

The difference is that I don't know whether one qualifies as a moiser, whereas I do know that the other 2 were assaulted. And no, Tischler and his mob don't get to determine whether someone is a moiser or not, no matter how loud they yell.

[aygart]

The difference is that I don't know whether one qualifies as a moiser, whereas I do know that the other 2 were assaulted. And no, Tischler and his mob don't get to determine whether someone is a moiser or not, no matter how loud they yell.

Yup, as much as there needs to be a halachic basis to be moiser, someone who hits another yid is considered a rasha until they can show otherwise. Go ahead and align yourself with a RASHA. That is going to make hashem so happy!


רשע למה תכה רעך!

[Happyguy]

Many Poskim (Shach, Aruch HaShulchan) hold that the whole Issur of mesira only applies to a non-fair society that would treat Jew differently but in a democratic system like the US there is no mesira as the whole Issur was made when Jews would get harsher punishments than a non-Jew.

Furthermore all Poskim agree that when someone is endangering the public (Metza'arei Harabim) and doesn't heed to instruction it is mutar to inform.

I am not a Posek but it seems as if they have some halachic basis to support themselves with to inform. If an actual Posek would say otherwise then fine. But to label them as a moser without backing is totally wrong unless they have which i am unaware of.

[avromie7]

Many Poskim (Shach, Aruch HaShulchan) hold that the whole Issur of mesira only applies to a non-fair society that would treat Jew differently but in a democratic system like the US there is no mesira as the whole Issur was made when Jews would get harsher punishments than a non-Jew.

Furthermore all Poskim agree that when someone is endangering the public (Metza'arei Harabim) and doesn't heed to instruction it is mutar to inform.

I am not a Posek but it seems as if they have some halachic basis to support themselves with to inform. If an actual Posek would say otherwise then fine. But to label them as a moser without backing is totally wrong unless they have which i am unaware of.

This is arguably the case here.

Based on your great halachik knowledge, one would think you would have many poskim advocating mesirah.

[aygart]

The flip side is one was with some good intentions, and the other was pure evil.

Rabblerousers have a tendency of blaming their stupidity on good intentions.

[Happyguy]

This is arguably the case here.

Based on your great halachik knowledge, one would think you would have many poskim advocating mesirah.

R' Chaim Kanievsky advocated this in Bnei Brak (or the whole EY as well - slightly unclear from the letter)

[shapsam]

Many Poskim (Shach, Aruch HaShulchan) hold that the whole Issur of mesira only applies to a non-fair society that would treat Jew differently but in a democratic system like the US there is no mesira as the whole Issur was made when Jews would get harsher punishments than a non-Jew.

Furthermore all Poskim agree that when someone is endangering the public (Metza'arei Harabim) and doesn't heed to instruction it is mutar to inform.

I am not a Posek but it seems as if they have some halachic basis to support themselves with to inform. If an actual Posek would say otherwise then fine. But to label them as a moser without backing is totally wrong unless they have which i am unaware of.

Without getting into the overall debate, in no way does a frum person get the same treatment as everyone else in the justice system.

[EliJelly]

R' Chaim Kanievsky advocated this in Bnei Brak (or the whole EY as well)

When a covid infected person endangers the public, not to be moiser open shuls!!

[Happyguy]

Without getting into the overall debate, in no way does a frum person get the same treatment as everyone else in the justice system.

You could argue this but there is still the second point to consider

[Happyguy]

When a covid infected person endangers the public, not to be moiser open shuls!!

No. Look at Q4


Translation:
4: Is it permitted to give over the name of a person who makes light of the doctor’s instructions and endangers others to the authorities [police]? And is it permitted to give over information about shuls and mosdos who are not adhering to the health ministry’s regulations, even if it may result in a high fine or even imprisonment?

Harav Chaim: “Muttar.”

[EliJelly]

No. Look at Q4

I see it there. Frankly I don't put much weight on these "Q&A" with Rav Chaim and the way the they do it with him, enough said. But I will say that פוּק חָזִי מַאי עַמָא דָבַר. No one in Israel is following this, for good reason.

[Ergel]

I see it there. Frankly I don't put much weight on these "Q&A" with Rav Chaim and the way the they do it with him, enough said. But I will say that פוּק חָזִי מַאי עַמָא דָבַר. No one in Israel is following this, for good reason.

Love the fact that פוּק חָזִי מַאי עַמָא דָבַר is more important than a psak from Rav Chaim.
And let me guess, in another argument you will make a case that everyone should follow daas torah?

[EliJelly]

Love the fact that פוּק חָזִי מַאי עַמָא דָבַר is more important than a psak from Rav Chaim.
And let me guess, in another argument you will make a case that everyone should follow daas torah?

Ah I guess all the people who are ready to follow the "psak" of Rav Chaim are just not aware of which shuls are open. Got ya

[Ergel]

So, this "psak" is also not to be followed?

[Ergel]

Or is this just all political and they put out statements they don't really mean? And you have to be on the inside to know when to listen and not to listen?

[EliJelly]

Or is this just all political and they put out statements they don't really mean? And you have to be on the inside to know when to listen and not to listen?

Troll all you want, but since you came up with the term "psak" on his supposed answer to report shuls that are open, I'm asking you why aren't you following that psak? I can provide you the list if that's the issue.

[EliJelly]

Isn't Lederman shul operating now as well?

[Ergel]

Troll all you want, but since you came up with the term "psak" on his supposed answer to report shuls that are open, I'm asking you why aren't you following that psak? I can provide you the list if that's the issue.

He said mutar, not chiyuv. And my LOR has said not to.
Really not trolling, I just don't get it

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