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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #45 on: October 07, 2020, 06:04:22 PM »
As long as we agree on this, I'm good  :)

Now let's see those who need to put it into action, do so please.

Can we also agree that there are instances where it may be warranted?
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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #46 on: October 07, 2020, 06:14:33 PM »
I'm glad to see there are others who feel this way. The derogatory tone used by those posters is uncalled for.
You mean derogatory tones like this?

no use denying it because I see it here all the time.
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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #47 on: October 07, 2020, 06:21:26 PM »
Can we also agree that there are instances where it may be warranted?

Look, I realize that if someone gets attacked or feels like they're under attack they have a right to go on the defensive and push back. In that case, I would agree it is warranted.

However, whoever did the attacking should not have done so in the first place. Everything can be said in a polite, civil way and we will get your point loud and clear. No need to resort to snarkiness, rudeness, etc.

Note that this doesn't include if someone politely, albeit even if boldly, opposes someone's opinion, that's not an attack even if it might feel that way  ;D.  We need to learn the art of how to agree to disagree here.

Thanks for listening :).

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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #48 on: October 07, 2020, 06:32:27 PM »
Look, I realize that if someone gets attacked or feels like they're under attack they have a right to go on the defensive and push back. In that case, I would agree it is warranted.

However, whoever did the attacking should not have done so in the first place. Everything can be said in a polite, civil way and we will get your point loud and clear. No need to resort to snarkiness, rudeness, etc.

Note that this doesn't include if someone politely, albeit even if boldly, opposes someone's opinion, that's not an attack even if it might feel that way  ;D.  We need to learn the art of how to agree to disagree here.

Thanks for listening :).
Youíre currently making a blanket attack on all those who disagree with you. Point to a place where others attacked you unfairly and we can discuss it. The place I remember you complaining is here where you said

Let's just imagine that this spike would have happened even though everyone would have worn masks religiously and practiced proper social distancing.

All those predictors out there would have still found some kind of reason to say: I told you so, it was predicted, we brought it on ourselves, etc.

and then complained bitterly when others defended themselves. Sorry, it didnít make sense, and you deserved just a little bit of pushback. Now, if this is just your way of apologizing, I think I speak for all of Team COVID when I say nobody is offended and we can all move on. But I may still be a bit too snarky for your taste. I apologize in advance.
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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #49 on: October 07, 2020, 06:36:02 PM »
Youíre currently making a blanket attack on all those who disagree with you. Point to a place where others attacked you unfairly and we can discuss it. The place I remember you complaining is here where you said

and then complained bitterly when others defended themselves. Sorry, it didnít make sense, and you deserved just a little bit of pushback. Now, if this is just your way of apologizing, I think I speak for all of Team COVID when I say nobody is offended and we can all move on. But I may still be a bit too snarky for your taste. I apologize in advance.

Besides the hypocracy of posting a snarky (and totally untrue) comment then putting things into people's mouths that they never said to make up false examples to complain about the snarkiness of others. Doesn't sound like any of that bothers him at all-only when he gets called out!
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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #51 on: October 07, 2020, 07:26:16 PM »
https://www.newsweek.com/are-bill-de-blasio-andrew-cuomo-targeting-new-york-citys-jews-opinion-1537149

I don't know about the specific Jews who are in Uman, but as a whole, we as a people are spreading disease. Many of the posters here (and it seems like most of the Jews in the tri state area that I have been to) are adamant about not wearing masks and social distancing because, because because ... There are so many ppl that hate us and we give them ammunition to attack us.

Say what  ::)

please speak for yourself

Do you have statistics to back up your baseless ANTISEMITIC allegations.



I wear a mask where required by law. For those that don't, they definitely give off the impression that they may be spreading disease. Whether they are or aren't is irrelevant. For hundreds of years jews were blamed for pandemics which resulted in pogroms.  You are creating a chilul Hashem and stoking antisemitism. Learn a little history.

I don't mean to blame the victim here but this was predicated weeks ago and it's unfortunate that many people can't understand that their actions (or inactions) have consequences.


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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #52 on: October 07, 2020, 07:35:44 PM »

I don't mean to blame the victim here but this was predicated weeks ago and it's unfortunate that many people can't understand that their actions (or inactions) have consequences.
Youíre not blaming the victim, youíre blaming the perp
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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #53 on: October 07, 2020, 07:37:29 PM »


Youíre not blaming the victim, youíre blaming one of the perps
FTFY
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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #54 on: October 07, 2020, 08:16:06 PM »
Cant we all just get along :-X The division is the worst part of the whole thing... Remember when we all thought moshiach was coming Peasch....

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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #55 on: October 07, 2020, 08:37:56 PM »
Cant we all just get along :-X The division is the worst part of the whole thing... Remember when we all thought moshiach was coming Peasch....
Have any ideas? We try very hard. We aren't going around spending time trying to enlighten people for no reason. We do it because we care.

All I can say is השיבה שופטינו כראשונה. We could use a strong, qualified leader now. I guess Mashiach would fill the current void very nicely.  :)

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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #56 on: October 07, 2020, 09:20:40 PM »
Have any ideas? We try very hard. We aren't going around spending time trying to enlighten people for no reason. We do it because we care.

All I can say is השיבה שופטינו כראשונה. We could use a strong, qualified leader now. I guess Mashiach would fill the current void very nicely.  :)

Double thumbs up for this post.

I would venture to say, I "know" Moshiach would fill the void...

And thanks for caring ;).

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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #57 on: October 07, 2020, 09:33:51 PM »
BH we have leaders. And Big ones in israel and abroad. you just need to LISTEN to them! Not say since when can rabbanim have a say in health issues!!!!

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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #58 on: October 07, 2020, 09:43:20 PM »
BH we have leaders. And Big ones in israel and abroad. you just need to LISTEN to them! Not say since when can rabbanim have a say in health issues!!!!
Are you saying we should listen to the instructions from R Chaim Kanievsky about shuls and minyanim and simchas torah? I don't see anyone really following his directives here. They are MUCH stricter than what people here are doing.
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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #59 on: October 07, 2020, 09:44:49 PM »
So the problem is not that we don't have leaders... You don't need to daven השיבה שופטינו now.. you just need to listen. Our gedoilim say you just need to listen...