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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #202 on: October 08, 2020, 05:45:08 PM »
https://twitter.com/HikindDov/status/1314318425037197313

Great! Now let's try not to screw this up.

To all those making noise (justifiably) about anti-Semitism, this means we're being treated like equals. If we don't mask up or social distance, that's 100% on us.
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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #205 on: October 08, 2020, 06:13:19 PM »

Wasn’t true though. Hearing is tomorrow at 130 pm

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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #208 on: October 08, 2020, 06:39:52 PM »
I prefer the D-Jax one.

LOL, I actually got this one by searching for desaun Jackson

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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #209 on: October 08, 2020, 06:48:54 PM »
I prefer the D-Jax one.
Isn’t this D-Jax also?

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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #210 on: October 08, 2020, 06:56:42 PM »
Isn’t this D-Jax also?

Indeed it is

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« Reply #211 on: October 08, 2020, 07:00:22 PM »
Isn’t this D-Jax also?

Meh. It's not THE D-Jax one.
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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #212 on: October 08, 2020, 07:51:32 PM »
I see it there. Frankly I don't put much weight on these "Q&A" with Rav Chaim and the way the they do it with him, enough said. But I will say that פוּק חָזִי מַאי עַמָא דָבַר. No one in Israel is following this, for good reason.
Ok, but just to be clear, you completely moved the goalposts, because that *is* what the psak said. Now your new stance is that “it’s not reliable”, but that’s another argument. Doesn’t sound like you are factoring new information into your opinion, only pivoting to the next point in your preformed opinion because the previous stance has been shown to be incorrect.

Of course there is makom to say it was mutar to do, whether that’s the clear Halacha or not. And there were certainly Rabbanim allowing/advocating it. If people are not even allowed to speak out against da’as Torah which allows something they feel is dangerous (something we hear a lot around here), why should a mob be able to exact vengeance on someone who did something that *their* da’as Torah feels is acceptable/praiseworthy? There is zero equivalence, period.
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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #214 on: October 08, 2020, 10:05:49 PM »
https://hamodia.com/2020/10/08/editorial-comment-seeking-direction-uncertain-times/

Its a great editorial but it should have included the directives from the Torah leaders they are rightly saying we should turn to.

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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #215 on: October 08, 2020, 10:15:36 PM »
Even if the "mosrim" were completely in the wrong Halachically, mob violence is completely unacceptable. Full stop.

It shouldn't take a lamdan to realize how this is wrong in many levels.

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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #216 on: October 08, 2020, 10:26:12 PM »
Even if the "mosrim" were completely in the wrong Halachically, mob violence is completely unacceptable. Full stop.

It shouldn't take a lamdan to realize how this is wrong in many levels.
Defending the mosrim is just as bad as defending the beating.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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« Reply #217 on: October 08, 2020, 10:26:53 PM »
Defending the mosrim is just as bad as defending the beating.

Says who?
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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #218 on: October 08, 2020, 10:31:55 PM »
Defending the mosrim is just as bad as defending the beating.
If they truly have that status.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
« Reply #219 on: October 08, 2020, 10:32:40 PM »
Even if the "mosrim" were completely in the wrong Halachically, mob violence is completely unacceptable. Full stop.

It shouldn't take a lamdan to realize how this is wrong in many levels.

100% agree that attacking them is/was/will always be wrong on all fronts.

However, that doesn't make what these 2 guys were doing morally or ethically right - and I'll say it the opposite way than you did: even if by the letter of the law (meaning halachah) they are not violating anything it doesn't mean it was the right and correct thing to do. And if I may humbly add, they don't deserve to be defended. 2 wrongs don't make a right.

I don't know enough about them having only recently discovered their existence but it seems to me that they've been raising the ire of certain communities way before COVID came around and with very not pure and holy intentions. So those that are saying that now with their COVID reportings they were doing it solely in the name of saving lives, I'm sorry but I'm having a very hard time believing that all of a sudden these guys became purely altruistic.

Just my personal observations.