Are we back in 1936?

[Lurker]

I think 1930-1932 are a better comparison.

[yuneeq]

I think 1930-1932 are a better comparison.

Already by 1930 the Nazi party was the 2nd most popular party, by 1932, it received the most votes. Probably need to go back a half decade to start comparing anything.

[Lurker]

Already by 1930 the Nazi party was the 2nd most popular party, by 1932, it received the most votes. Probably need to go back a half decade to start comparing anything.

The Squad is quite popular already. And again, I don't think we'll see a replica of Germany. But the comfort level is definitely starting to drop.

[Mordyk]

Between 1933 and 1937, over 130k Jews left Germany, which was about 25% of the German Jewish population. Many, many more tried to leave and were not able to get a visa. The general sentiment for a Jew was get out of Germany, but which country will I be safe (nearly none of Europe), which country will give me a visa (usually no one), will I have an opportunity to work and survive because I won’t be able to bring any money with me?

Your history lessons need some reviewing. By 1935 the Nuremberg laws were already passed, and extreme racism was literally codified in law, and practiced regularly.

Now remind me again how the US in 2020 is similar?

Ok so compare to 1935 or 1934.  Thats not the point so don't get stuck on in.

[yos9694]

What would be the leading indicators if we were headed into this type of a scenario? What were the leading indicators in Germany (or 15th century Spain, or 12th century England, etc)?

There's lots to lose by "calling it" either too far in advance or too late.

[yuneeq]

Ok so compare to 1935 or 1934.  Thats not the point so don't get stuck on in.

You specifically mentioned that Jews remained complacent even in the face of extreme annihilation in 1936 or even 1933 when Hitler rose to power, which is completely false. We are also supposed to learn from this fake history lesson that our supposed complacency in 2020 America draws strong parallels to that time span, and perhaps we should be reacting with Holocaust level concerns as if Deblasio is going to round us up like cattle. The comparison is so absurd. I believe my parents suffered through more racism in 1970’s America than we do today, even if the situation is worse than what it was 10 years (eta: ago).

[Mordyk]

NYPD now banning protests in hot zones.   For some reason at the height of all of this BLM was able to "protest" (riot, loot, etc.) Yet conveniently now you can't protest in red zones. Which happen to be most Jewish neighborhoods.   Open your eyes.  Every point you can find a justification,  but when you are too busy finding all the justifications take a moment and think.

https://nypost.com/2020/10/09/nypd-issues-new-order-banning-protests-in-covid-19-hot-spots/?utm_source=whatsapp_sitebuttons

[yuneeq]

NYPD now banning protests in hot zones.   For some reason at the height of all of this BLM was able to "protest" (riot, loot, etc.) Yet conveniently now you can't protest in red zones. Which happen to be most Jewish neighborhoods.   Open your eyes.  Every point you can find a justification,  but when you are too busy finding all the justifications take a moment and think.

https://nypost.com/2020/10/09/nypd-issues-new-order-banning-protests-in-covid-19-hot-spots/?utm_source=whatsapp_sitebuttons

I’m trying to recall what type of protests the Jews held back in Nazi Germany but even with googling I’m having no luck.

[yzj]

NYPD now banning protests in hot zones.   For some reason at the height of all of this BLM was able to "protest" (riot, loot, etc.) Yet conveniently now you can't protest in red zones. Which happen to be most Jewish neighborhoods.   Open your eyes.  Every point you can find a justification,  but when you are too busy finding all the justifications take a moment and think.

https://nypost.com/2020/10/09/nypd-issues-new-order-banning-protests-in-covid-19-hot-spots/?utm_source=whatsapp_sitebuttons

Not that big a deal to organize protests in the green zones a couple miles over

[Lurker]

You specifically mentioned that Jews remained complacent even in the face of extreme annihilation in 1936 or even 1933 when Hitler rose to power, which is completely false. We are also supposed to learn from this fake history lesson that our supposed complacency in 2020 America draws strong parallels to that time span, and perhaps we should be reacting with Holocaust level concerns as if Deblasio is going to round us up like cattle. The comparison is so absurd. I believe my parents suffered through more racism in 1970’s America than we do today, even if the situation is worse than what it was 10 years (eta: ago).

I'll get into this with you more after YT, but do you believe the situation can change drastically to levels which would concern you within the next 5 years?

[Mordyk]

I’m trying to recall what type of protests the Jews held back in Nazi Germany but even with googling I’m having no luck.

You expect them to follow text book comparison?  Like seriously.  Every generation is a different situation

[yuneeq]

You expect them to follow text book comparison?  Like seriously.  Every generation is a different situation

I don't see how the current situation is anything close to 1930's Nazi Germany, and can find more similar timespans that don't involve holocausts. If you want to argue that a new holocaust is inevitable and unpredictable based on history, I have no way to argue against that.
Sure we might be in 1936, or we might be in 1982, or 1568. But the comparison to Germany is an absurd exaggeration.

[Mordyk]

I don't see how the current situation is anything close to 1930's Nazi Germany, and can find more similar timespans that don't involve holocausts. If you want to argue that a new holocaust is inevitable and unpredictable based on history, I have no way to argue against that.
Sure we might be in 1936, or we might be in 1982, or 1568. But the comparison to Germany is an absurd exaggeration.

Let's go back to basics.

Do you believe antisemitism is on the rise and do you understand people are feeling uneasy?

[yuneeq]

Let's go back to basics.

Do you believe antisemitism is on the rise and do you understand people are feeling uneasy?

I stated earlier that I believe it is on the rise, but it's still lower than almost any time in history, including most of the 1900's. I also think a lot of the uneasy feeling is based on fake news, especially during COVID. I'll share an example shortly.

[yuneeq]

I also think a lot of the uneasy feeling is based on fake news, especially during COVID. I'll share an example shortly.

Here's an example of blatant anti-semitism that is being shared all over whatsapp. There are so many areas that have more cases than Jewish neighborhoods!!! Only Jews are being targeted because our government is extremely anti-semitic!





If this was in fact true, I'd feel incredibly oppressed, but because it's deceiving stats used as fake news I don't feel that way. I definitely understand why others who consume this fake news (many in my circles) feel things are much worse than they really are.

It’s kinda interesting to see the deceptive stats people are sharing so we can pretend that Jews aren’t consistently from the hardest hit areas. A cute one I saw yesterday showed a map of case rates by zip code, showing other areas with high case rates. What they didn’t mention is case rates is a historical cumulative number dating back to March and continuously until today. Somehow the cases in March are relevant to an outbreak in October.

Go ahead, see the data for yourself and honestly tell me you don't feel a little better once you know the truth.
https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page

[Mordyk]

Here's an example of blatant anti-semitism that is being shared all over whatsapp. There are so many areas that have more cases than Jewish neighborhoods!!! Only Jews are being targeted because our government is extremely anti-semitic!





If this was in fact true, I'd feel incredibly oppressed, but because it's deceiving stats used as fake news I don't feel that way. I definitely understand why others who consume this fake news (many in my circles) feel things are much worse than they really are.

Go ahead, see the data for yourself and honestly tell me you don't feel a little better once you know the truth.
https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page

Too much read for erev yom tov. But I will read it afterwards and respond.  I would love to feel more relaxed about the whole situation.   But I need some convincing.  Too much in the news targeting (mentioning) us

[shapsam]

Here's an example of blatant anti-semitism that is being shared all over whatsapp. There are so many areas that have more cases than Jewish neighborhoods!!! Only Jews are being targeted because our government is extremely anti-semitic!





If this was in fact true, I'd feel incredibly oppressed, but because it's deceiving stats used as fake news I don't feel that way. I definitely understand why others who consume this fake news (many in my circles) feel things are much worse than they really are.

Go ahead, see the data for yourself and honestly tell me you don't feel a little better once you know the truth.
https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page

https://twitter.com/OJPAC/status/1315451690762596353

[yuneeq]

https://twitter.com/OJPAC/status/1315451690762596353

You haven't responded to the content of my post, which shows how some fake news that is shared in the Jewish community makes us feel more oppressed. Instead, you replied with unrelated unsourced stats that don't show any context. Where are the numbers from? Are the infection stats shown daily numbers and therefore irrelevant?

Replying like this only makes my case stronger.

[aygart]

You haven't responded to the content of my post, which shows how some fake news that is shared in the Jewish community makes us feel more oppressed. Instead, you replied with unrelated unsourced stats that don't show any context. Where are the numbers from? Are the infection stats shown daily numbers and therefore irrelevant?

Replying like this only makes my case stronger.

When the entire purpose of an entity is to make noise expect it to be noisy.

[shapsam]

You haven't responded to the content of my post, which shows how some fake news that is shared in the Jewish community makes us feel more oppressed. Instead, you replied with unrelated unsourced stats that don't show any context. Where are the numbers from? Are the infection stats shown daily numbers and therefore irrelevant?

Replying like this only makes my case stronger.

I'm assuming those numbers are from state's data, I have no reason to question it. I'm not sure if it's daily rates or not (let me know if you check it), but the point is, there's not a peeps from Coumo about it.