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Re: Jacob Kornbluh
« Reply #80 on: October 16, 2020, 11:00:53 AM »
But to call him a Nazi, Kapo (how can you be both?), moser, etc. based on pikuach nefesh, come on.
FTFY
No one should ever be called those names.
When anyone does, they lose all credibility.

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Re: Jacob Kornbluh
« Reply #81 on: October 16, 2020, 11:04:14 AM »
The amount of denialism and lack of introspection here is astonishing.

HT called for PUBLIC protests. (For those out of the loop, a public protest is a novel concept of demonstration that is literally meant to get as much free media attention as possible.) Then, when said media bothers showing up, they get attacked, and they report on the attacks and unruliness of the protests. It's certainly not the protesters that caused a chillul hashem, it's the darn-fangled media that actually showed up and gave the protesters the free attention they were desperately seeking.
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Re: Jacob Kornbluh
« Reply #82 on: October 16, 2020, 11:05:42 AM »
Regardless of your opinions on JK and HT, it's ridiculous how the story has become about two doofuses who don't represent anyone yet have declared themselves our saviors.
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Re: Jacob Kornbluh
« Reply #83 on: October 16, 2020, 11:07:09 AM »
in the search to find one boogeyman to blame everything on, people are finding JK or HT.
I'm not seeing that about JK, only about HT (multiple op-ed's). Just because people are still angry at JK, that doesn't make him the "one boogeyman". At least that's not the way I've seen anyone perceive it.

The truth is, there is no one single issue at play.
Agree. Though right now it's Cuomo.

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Re: Jacob Kornbluh
« Reply #84 on: October 16, 2020, 11:09:52 AM »
Regardless of your opinions on JK and HT, it's ridiculous how the story has become about two doofuses who don't represent anyone yet have declared themselves our saviors.
+1. Mind boggling how in a city with daily shootings, robberies, and other serious crime, this would be the top local news for a few days.

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Re: Jacob Kornbluh
« Reply #85 on: October 16, 2020, 11:15:31 AM »
I think the JK saga brings up a bigger question about whether it's possible for a frum journalist to effectively cover frum communities without crossing a bunch of rules, both written and unwritten. An even bigger question is whether it's possible to be a frum journalist at all, trying not to cross lines of tznius, loshon horah, moitzei shem rah, and others while keeping your credibility intact.
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Re: Jacob Kornbluh
« Reply #86 on: October 16, 2020, 11:18:57 AM »
+1. Mind boggling how in a city with daily shootings, robberies, and other serious crime, this would be the top local news for a few days.
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Re: Jacob Kornbluh
« Reply #87 on: October 16, 2020, 11:27:37 AM »
This was in March when people were dropping like flies. He felt, and there were many rabonim that agreed, it was sakanos nefashos. In hindsight, he was wrong. But to call him a Nazi, Kapo (how can you be both?), moser, etc. based on pikuach nefesh, come on.
You really don’t get it. He was doing this straight through the summer. He knows full well who sees every tweet of his. And if that’s not enough he has to go tag them too.
(Grada I’ve seen pics of him breaking some of these “pikuach nefesh” rules he’s so worried about.)

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Re: Jacob Kornbluh
« Reply #88 on: October 16, 2020, 11:28:17 AM »
I'm not seeing that about JK, only about HT (multiple op-ed's). Just because people are still angry at JK, that doesn't make him the "one boogeyman". At least that's not the way I've seen anyone perceive it.
Well, HT made it about him. There were threating videos and all kinds of rhetoric before the confrontation at the protest.
Agree. Though right now it's Cuomo.
Agreed 1 billion %.

Regardless of your opinions on JK and HT, it's ridiculous how the story has become about two doofuses who don't represent anyone yet have declared themselves our saviors.

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Re: Jacob Kornbluh
« Reply #89 on: October 16, 2020, 11:29:59 AM »
Man bites dog

Can't like this enough. There's nothing that feeds into liberal media's narrative better than Hasidic Jews "rioting". It normalizes the concept of riots, so people can't say it's only black hoodlums doing it. Never mind that these were riots like the puddle in front is the Atlantic Ocean. There was one lousy cardboard box smoldering, not Times Square aflame. The few nobodies that are getting their 15 minutes of fame are symptoms, not causes. The media was looking for a story that makes it sound like what happened in May and June was a normal response to a grievance, and the same thing is happening here.

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Re: Jacob Kornbluh
« Reply #90 on: October 16, 2020, 11:34:01 AM »
Did any media outlets call it a “peaceful protest” ? Just curious

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Re: Jacob Kornbluh
« Reply #91 on: October 16, 2020, 11:37:24 AM »
I think the JK saga brings up a bigger question about whether it's possible for a frum journalist to effectively cover frum communities without crossing a bunch of rules, both written and unwritten. An even bigger question is whether it's possible to be a frum journalist at all, trying not to cross lines of tznius, loshon horah, moitzei shem rah, and others while keeping your credibility intact.
If by “effectively” you mean to publish negative things on a tzibbur that could cause a massive chillul hashem, please find me the rov who permits it.

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Re: Jacob Kornbluh
« Reply #92 on: October 16, 2020, 12:07:59 PM »
I think the JK saga brings up a bigger question about whether it's possible for a frum journalist to effectively cover frum communities without crossing a bunch of rules, both written and unwritten. An even bigger question is whether it's possible to be a frum journalist at all, trying not to cross lines of tznius, loshon horah, moitzei shem rah, and others while keeping your credibility intact.
Very well explained why it's not even a question :)

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Re: Jacob Kornbluh
« Reply #93 on: October 16, 2020, 12:11:53 PM »
If by “effectively” you mean to publish negative things on a tzibbur that could cause a massive chillul hashem, please find me the rov who permits it.

I don't know that there is one, hence my question. And if a journalist has to reports partial stories to keep any negativity out, can s/he be trusted to report accurately and truthfully?
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Re: Jacob Kornbluh
« Reply #94 on: October 16, 2020, 12:39:41 PM »
I don't know that there is one, hence my question. And if a journalist has to reports partial stories to keep any negativity out, can s/he be trusted to report accurately and truthfully?
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Re: Jacob Kornbluh
« Reply #95 on: October 16, 2020, 12:43:25 PM »
The amount of denialism and lack of introspection here is astonishing.

HT called for PUBLIC protests. (For those out of the loop, a public protest is a novel concept of demonstration that is literally meant to get as much free media attention as possible.) Then, when said media bothers showing up, they get attacked, and they report on the attacks and unruliness of the protests. It's certainly not the protesters that caused a chillul hashem, it's the darn-fangled media that actually showed up and gave the protesters the free attention they were desperately seeking.
Tischler and Kornbluh are two separate and distinct problems. No need to conflate and confuse one with the other even though the issues happen to be related.

Kornbluh snitched on live TV long before the HT issues.
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« Reply #96 on: October 16, 2020, 01:04:05 PM »
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This is accurate & truth

So your answer is no.
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Re: Jacob Kornbluh
« Reply #97 on: October 16, 2020, 01:28:05 PM »
So your answer is no.
read it again :)

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Re: Jacob Kornbluh
« Reply #98 on: October 16, 2020, 02:19:43 PM »
Regardless of your opinions on JK and HT, it's ridiculous how the story has become about two doofuses who don't represent anyone yet have declared themselves our saviors.

Well said 💪🏻
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Re: Jacob Kornbluh
« Reply #99 on: October 16, 2020, 02:22:17 PM »
yet have declared themselves our saviors.

THIS says it all.