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Who Will Win The 2020 Election?

Biden
41 (26.5%)
Trump
79 (51%)
Tied up in court/decided by Supreme Court
32 (20.6%)
Electoral Tie
3 (1.9%)

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Re: Who Will Win The 2020 Election?
« Reply #45 on: October 13, 2020, 01:28:17 PM »
And has he done a good job convicting them? By telling the 56% of people who said they are better of economically under Trump then Obama shouldn't vote for him?
Why are you trying to change the topic? Earlier voting = higher turnout = better for Biden. Disagree?
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Re: Who Will Win The 2020 Election?
« Reply #46 on: October 13, 2020, 01:29:07 PM »
And has he done a good job convicting them? By telling the 56% of people who said they are better of economically under Trump then Obama shouldn't vote for him?

Not what you meant to say, but still true.
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Re: Who Will Win The 2020 Election?
« Reply #47 on: October 13, 2020, 01:31:27 PM »
Lincoln already addressed this and argued effectively that states do not possess the right to leave the union.

I don't think rights will be an obstacle. The far right and the far left have enough guns, enough hate, and enough members to make the Constitution an afterthought.
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Re: Who Will Win The 2020 Election?
« Reply #48 on: October 13, 2020, 02:03:28 PM »
I don't think rights will be an obstacle. The far right and the far left have enough guns, enough hate, and enough members to make the Constitution an afterthought.
More than the Civil War?
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« Reply #49 on: October 13, 2020, 02:07:11 PM »
More than the Civil War?

Different than the Civil War. Definitely more polar, with many more anarchists and foreign interests in the mix.
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Re: Who Will Win The 2020 Election?
« Reply #50 on: October 13, 2020, 02:31:17 PM »
The military and Federal apparatus have infinitely more centralized power than during the civil war. A secession won't happen again, the only option is an expulsion.
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« Reply #51 on: October 13, 2020, 02:36:12 PM »
The military and Federal apparatus have infinitely more centralized power than during the civil war. A secession won't happen again, the only option is an expulsion.

And if we slash military funding and size in an extreme way? The National Guard is also better equipped than ever before.
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Re: Who Will Win The 2020 Election?
« Reply #52 on: October 13, 2020, 02:41:28 PM »
The military and Federal apparatus have infinitely more centralized power than during the civil war. A secession won't happen again, the only option is an expulsion.
Unless the military itself has a coup, which is not unlikely based on which party a majority of it stands with.
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Re: Who Will Win The 2020 Election?
« Reply #53 on: October 13, 2020, 02:49:17 PM »
Unless the military itself has a coup, which is not unlikely based on which party a majority of it stands with.
The military is way too big for a coup. It's not possible to organize anything resembling a majority of a body of 1.5m men spread out on all corners of the world. The leadership is shuffled around deliberately to prevent pockets of power. The intermediary levels of command are all loyal to the constitution, not the President, as Milley and others made abundantly clear in their letters to servicemen after the Trump church debacle.
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Re: Who Will Win The 2020 Election?
« Reply #54 on: October 13, 2020, 06:04:41 PM »
Lincoln already addressed this and argued effectively that states do not possess the right to leave the union.

Not even the Republic of Texas?
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Re: Who Will Win The 2020 Election?
« Reply #55 on: October 14, 2020, 08:38:34 AM »
Not even the Republic of Texas?

IANAL - are you genuinely asking or is that an acknowledged exception?

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Re: Who Will Win The 2020 Election?
« Reply #56 on: October 14, 2020, 08:44:37 AM »
IANAL - are you genuinely asking or is that an acknowledged exception?

I recall hearing or reading about it once, that they had special terms upon joining the union. I never checked it out.
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Re: Who Will Win The 2020 Election?
« Reply #57 on: October 14, 2020, 10:21:48 AM »
I recall hearing or reading about it once, that they had special terms upon joining the union. I never checked it out.

That would have been 1845, well before Lincoln's legal arguments, so if there were terms he would have been aware

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Re: Who Will Win The 2020 Election?
« Reply #58 on: October 14, 2020, 10:25:23 AM »
Lincoln already addressed this and argued effectively that states do not possess the right to leave the union unilaterally.

FTFY

The idea that some are suggesting (and I don't think will ever happen) is that it would be a mutually agreed upon split.

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Re: Who Will Win The 2020 Election?
« Reply #59 on: October 14, 2020, 11:21:23 AM »
FTFY

The idea that some are suggesting (and I don't think will ever happen) is that it would be a mutually agreed upon split.

I don't think splits will be agreed upon.
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