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Who Will Win The 2020 Election?

Biden
41 (26.5%)
Trump
79 (51%)
Tied up in court/decided by Supreme Court
32 (20.6%)
Electoral Tie
3 (1.9%)

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Re: Who Will Win The 2020 Election?
« Reply #1800 on: November 10, 2020, 12:49:41 PM »
Due as I say not as I dew.  :P
To dew or not to due...

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Re: Who Will Win The 2020 Election?
« Reply #1801 on: November 10, 2020, 01:41:45 PM »
To dew or not to due...
One DDF you can also use DO.

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Re: Who Will Win The 2020 Election?
« Reply #1802 on: November 10, 2020, 01:43:03 PM »
One DDF you can also use DO.

Someone find me the thread that discusses how to pronounce DO...  ;)
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Re: Who Will Win The 2020 Election?
« Reply #1804 on: November 11, 2020, 02:09:41 PM »
What am I missing?
I see listed here over 13,000 mail-in ballots request for people ages 95 and up, including over thousand people ages 100 and up, (excluding the DOB of 01/01/1800 and 01/01/1900) 
https://data.pa.gov/Government-Efficiency-Citizen-Engagement/2020-General-Election-Mail-Ballot-Requests-Departm/mcba-yywm/data
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Re: Who Will Win The 2020 Election?
« Reply #1805 on: November 11, 2020, 02:16:15 PM »
Alaska is finally officially red...

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Re: Who Will Win The 2020 Election?
« Reply #1806 on: November 11, 2020, 02:38:00 PM »
https://thedonald.win/p/11Q8SiVi9C/rudy-guiliani--we-have-democrat-/c/

He says he has whistleblowers from the dominion...

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Re: Who Will Win The 2020 Election?
« Reply #1808 on: November 11, 2020, 03:37:06 PM »
https://www.forbes.com/sites/christosmakridis/2020/11/11/georgia-recount-fuels-market-uncertainty-about-election-outcomes/?sh=60ad51145e43

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Georgia Recount Fuels Market Uncertainty About Election Outcomes Christos
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I am a professor & policy adviser, writing about behavioral economics.

Although the Associated Press announced on November 7th that Joe Biden received enough votes to launch him over the top for president of the United States USM +1.2% based on the results from Pennsylvania, the actual political landscape is much more uncertain. States have not yet certified their results and more data irregularities and voter fraud are emerging. In fact, many states are even headed towards automatic recounts and Georgia just announced a hand recount.
The combination of statistical anomalies and documented evidence of fraudulent activity has led to an increase in uncertainty and held back much of the increase in sentiment that typically follows an election.

Markets Are Still Uncertain
Immediately following the media’s announcement of a winner, markets rallied. But, that reflects the perception of an election coming to a close more than anything else unique to the candidate.
Since the initial announcement, however, uncertainty has spiked. For example, using natural language processing techniques on news outlets and social media, the figure below reveals significant volatility in political sentiment. While we’ve seen big swings in political sentiment before, the volatility we’re now observing is even larger than in 2016 preceding and following the 2016 election.
Many data irregularities have emerged in the past couple days. That’s part of what has led the Department of Justice to authorize inquiries into voter irregularities yesterday. Although some have critiqued Barr for pursuing these inquiries for political purposes, the fact remains that they are looking for answers. Moreover, Senator McConnell defended these inquiries, remarking that "we have the system in place to consider concerns, and President Trump is 100% within his rights to look to allegations of irregularities and weigh his legal options.

What effect might political uncertainty have on the real economy?
Following the 2016 election, my research shows that consumption among conservatives surged, whereas consumption among Democrats remained fairly constant. Although consumption data of that scale is not available now, we can alternatively look at an index of consumer sentiment. Interestingly, whereas it surged following the 2016 election, it has remained flat this time around.
 
Understanding The Volatility in Uncertainty
Clearly, something is wrong with our election process, including, but not limited to: over 10,000 dead people who presumably cast their ballots in Michigan; software "glitches" in Michigan, Georgia, and Pennsylvania all by Dominion Voting Systems that's been rejected multiple times for use in Texas; deviations in the vote counts from the distribution that one would expect in a fair election.

Moreover, what matters for driving uncertainty is the location of these anomalies. If they were concentrated in strong Democrat or Republican states, such as California or Texas, then the market would not be as responsive since the anomalies would have to be sufficiently large to sway the outcome. But, since the evidence resides in battleground states it carries even greater weight.
Consider, for instance, the fact that Georgia just announced that they will do a recount. Since the current margin is already incredibly close—with Biden at 49.5% and Trump at 45.2%—a small change could have large effects. In fact, in Gwinnett County, software “glitches” with Dominion Voting Systems affected over 80,000 ballots, which is more than enough to sway the outcome. These margins and legal battles are also present in other states, compounding the uncertainty.

In brief, while some have argued that fraud happens in every election and that it is not any different this time around, a new website just launched, EveryLegalVote.com, which is devoted to educating the public about voter fraud and disentangling valid versus innocuous claims. Their website also includes hundreds of videos from people who reported video evidence and personal accounts of suspicious behavior and fraud, arguing that it’s actually quite pervasive.

Time will tell, but so far markets look uncertain. Until these anomalies and incidents are reconciled, markets are unlikely to take off.
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Re: Who Will Win The 2020 Election?
« Reply #1809 on: November 11, 2020, 04:15:20 PM »
What am I missing?
I see listed here over 13,000 mail-in ballots request for people ages 95 and up, including over thousand people ages 100 and up, (excluding the DOB of 01/01/1800 and 01/01/1900) 
https://data.pa.gov/Government-Efficiency-Citizen-Engagement/2020-General-Election-Mail-Ballot-Requests-Departm/mcba-yywm/data

There are an estimated 93,000 people over 100 years old in the us. My quick search did not find the numbers for PA (or the numbers of 95+)

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Re: Who Will Win The 2020 Election?
« Reply #1812 on: November 11, 2020, 06:35:50 PM »
We don't allow facts in this thread, just kool-aid.  :)
"The group has taken legal action in a handful of places to try to force voter-roll pruning. In December 2019, the group filed a lawsuit against Detroit election officials alleging that the city had over 2,500 dead people on the voter rolls -- including one born in 1823. The lawsuit was dropped in June 2020 after election officials updated voter rolls."

From that article. So there's no dead people on the list, but then they updated the list to remove the dead people?

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Re: Who Will Win The 2020 Election?
« Reply #1813 on: November 11, 2020, 06:43:34 PM »
From that article. So there's no dead people on the list, but then they updated the list to remove the dead people?
They explained why it would seem to be dead people voting. Flipping numbers, clerical error, domestic violence default DOB and other reasons. Yes once you fix these errors you update the DB. Were is the proof all these dead people voting?
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Re: Who Will Win The 2020 Election?
« Reply #1814 on: November 11, 2020, 06:46:33 PM »
They explained why it would seem to be dead people voting. Flipping numbers, clerical error, domestic violence default DOB and other reasons. Yes once you fix these errors you update the DB. Were is the proof all these dead people voting?
Right, expect for the last paragraph where they say they removed real, live dead people from the list because of a lawsuit.

So yes, it's possible there's an explanation for most of the seemingly dead people on the list. But there's also room to say the voter rolls they use are not pruned nicely.

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Re: Who Will Win The 2020 Election?
« Reply #1815 on: November 11, 2020, 06:48:30 PM »
Not doubting it, but why do victims of domestic violence need a fake DOB? They're hiding and using pseudonyms?
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Re: Who Will Win The 2020 Election?
« Reply #1816 on: November 11, 2020, 06:50:26 PM »
Not doubting it, but why do victims of domestic violence need a fake DOB? They're hiding and using pseudonyms?
My question is why they don't make up a random birthdate, but that's a side question.

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Re: Who Will Win The 2020 Election?
« Reply #1817 on: November 11, 2020, 06:53:32 PM »
Right, expect for the last paragraph where they say they removed real, live dead people from the list because of a lawsuit.
They said it was "updated". Maybe they did remove dead people but it doesn't say that.
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Re: Who Will Win The 2020 Election?
« Reply #1819 on: November 11, 2020, 07:32:43 PM »
They said it was "updated". Maybe they did remove dead people but it doesn't say that.
Well they dropped the lawsuit afterwards, so it definitely sounds like they did remove the dead people that they were suing for. In any case, you're just saying another reason why we should be careful to be read between the lines and not rely on the author's bias.