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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #180 on: October 18, 2020, 12:01:23 AM »
But I absolutely cannot blame people who had covid, have antibodies, and are sick and tired of the hypocrisy of the rule makers for being lax.
Meh. I do it (despite getting covid in February) and enforce it in our shul.
As noted above, the serology results don't match up with the claim.
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #181 on: October 18, 2020, 12:01:36 AM »
There are rumors schools are finally closing tomorrow after Cuomo threatened criminal actions against administrators. I would think it's more about money though.
Yep. threatening arrest.

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #182 on: October 18, 2020, 12:02:57 AM »
Not nonsense, but whatever immunity they seemed to have had last time seems to have worn off. A lot of yeshivos had every single person that did not catch in March and April catch it now when it went around yeshiva, and zero reinfections. It's statistically relevant.
It's total nonsense. Exposure does not imply immunity in any way shape or form, if only for the simple reason people with SARS-CoV-2 or influenza infections are usually contagious for fewer than one day congruent with peak viral load several days after infection



https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.07.20169920v3


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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #183 on: October 18, 2020, 12:03:34 AM »
Yep. threatening arrest.
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #184 on: October 18, 2020, 12:04:10 AM »
You have no idea how many people I spoke to today.

You are 100% correct. I stand corrected. It is eminently possible that every person you spoke to today said they caught covid in March. In fact, it's even eminently possible that every person you spoke to today factually did catch covid in March.


That being said, infection rates in CH were nowhere close to 100%. As you correctly posit, your casual survey is 100% statistically irrelevant to effectively ascertaining actual community wide infection rates.

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #185 on: October 18, 2020, 12:04:34 AM »
Here’s your chance to be a brand new Heshy Tischler! Who will step up to the task?
Looking like Satmar may stay open.
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #186 on: October 18, 2020, 12:05:11 AM »
You are 100% correct. I stand corrected. It is eminently possible that every person you spoke to today said they caught covid in March. In fact, it's even eminently possible that every person you spoke to today factually did catch covid in March.


That being said, infection rates in CH were nowhere close to 100%. As you correctly posit, your casual survey is 100% statistically irrelevant to effectively ascertaining actual community wide infection rates.
Strong correlation between people you're likely to see in shul without a mask and people who got covid.
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #187 on: October 18, 2020, 12:07:59 AM »
Meh. I do it (despite getting covid in February) and enforce it in our shul.
As noted above, the serology results don't match up with the claim.

We don't disagree. And you're using words like serology results when the average person doesn't know what that means. Outside of the Gedaliah society in Crown Heights, there has been 0 education. Everything is either team lockdown everything indefinitely, or team open up everything without precautions. There is no education or explanation as to the necessity of a middle ground.


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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #188 on: October 18, 2020, 12:08:13 AM »
Strong correlation between people you're likely to see in shul without a mask and people who believe they got covid or believe they're immune to covid or don't believe in covid.

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #189 on: October 18, 2020, 12:09:27 AM »
I’m not sure you’re right. It’s quite likely he is referring to the blatant rule breaking he and others have consistently witnessed.

If he actually said “never closed” then that changes things.
I think it's quite clear from the context HERE and HERE that he's talking about shuls and/or schools. Not SD/masks among the masses.

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #190 on: October 18, 2020, 12:09:36 AM »
We don't disagree. And you're using words like serology results when the average person doesn't know what that means. Outside of the Gedaliah society in Crown Heights, there has been 0 education. Everything is either team lockdown everything indefinitely, or team open up everything without precautions. There is no education or explanation as to the necessity of a middle ground.
Black and white defines our community. From our dress to our opinions. Sigh.

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #191 on: October 18, 2020, 12:10:31 AM »
We don't disagree. And you're using words like serology results when the average person doesn't know what that means. Outside of the Gedaliah society in Crown Heights, there has been 0 education. Everything is either team lockdown everything indefinitely, or team open up everything without precautions. There is no education or explanation as to the necessity of a middle ground.

Btw, I actually believe the average person in CH or BP or Flatbush or Far Rockaway is at least as educated as the average American regarding these subjects. Chassidim are not more medically illiterate than the general populace, i think. The politicians that think the problem in our community is ignorance missed the boat.

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #192 on: October 18, 2020, 12:10:38 AM »
We don't disagree. And you're using words like serology results when the average person doesn't know what that means. Outside of the Gedaliah society in Crown Heights, there has been 0 education. Everything is either team lockdown everything indefinitely, or team open up everything without precautions. There is no education or explanation as to the necessity of a middle ground.
More fuel for OOT living.
But yes, that lack of nuance has been obvious on DDF and FB for quite some time.
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #193 on: October 18, 2020, 12:11:03 AM »
You are 100% correct. I stand corrected. It is eminently possible that every person you spoke to today said they caught covid in March. In fact, it's even eminently possible that every person you spoke to today factually did catch covid in March.


That being said, infection rates in CH were nowhere close to 100%. As you correctly posit, your casual survey is 100% statistically irrelevant to effectively ascertaining actual community wide infection rates.

You'll find I said the same thing as you in the ch thread.

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #194 on: October 18, 2020, 12:11:58 AM »
More fuel for OOT living.

The exodus is long underway

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #195 on: October 18, 2020, 12:14:02 AM »
More fuel for OOT living.
But yes, that lack of nuance has been obvious on DDF and FB for quite some time.

FL has seen a huge influx over the summer. Hundreds of families from NY, NJ, and CA.
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #196 on: October 18, 2020, 12:14:17 AM »
Btw, I actually believe the average person in CH or BP or Flatbush or Far Rockaway is at least as educated as the average American regarding these subjects. Chassidim are not more medically illiterate than the general populace, i think. The politicians that think the problem in our community is ignorance missed the boat.
Medical literacy doesn't matter; we live in an echo chamber politically, and covid has become a political issue (rather than medical).

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #197 on: October 18, 2020, 12:14:45 AM »
Gedalia society using detailed surveys and an actual understanding of how statistics work, estimated 60-70% infected (not exposure).
In my circle of friends (similar age group to Yehuda57) I haven't found anyone else who didn't have clear symptoms before purim. So I'm also the only guy in my shul with a mask (or was through the summer, will be next week). And yes, that is the more uncomfortable part. Are surgical masks less obtrusive, or black cotton?

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #198 on: October 18, 2020, 12:16:05 AM »
The exodus is long underway
Oh I know.
We moved to CLE in 2008 and were the only young Chabad couple.
Now I co-run (where are you @shmelke?) a young Chabad breakaway with 35 families :)
Among non-Chabad, there are thousands of new frum refugees here.
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #199 on: October 18, 2020, 12:17:46 AM »
Gedalia society using detailed surveys and an actual understanding of how statistics work, estimated 60-70% infected (not exposure).
In my circle of friends (similar age group to Yehuda57) I haven't found anyone else who didn't have clear symptoms before purim. So I'm also the only guy in my shul with a mask (or was through the summer, will be next week). And yes, that is the more uncomfortable part. Are surgical masks less obtrusive, or black cotton?
And guys like @AsherO that actually tested symptoms twice didn't have COVID.
Symptoms doesn't mean anything.
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