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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #60 on: October 17, 2020, 09:58:54 PM »
Ok and then what?
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #61 on: October 17, 2020, 10:02:06 PM »
Iím not defending the wedding at all, but will just point something out. Cuomo promised both satmar rebbas that if they toned down their SImchas beis hashoevas this year then he wonít close shuls. Satmar followed through but the governor still closed the shuls, now thereís zero chance they donít hold the wedding exactly the way want too.

If he would actually work with the community then he would see more willingness to follow some of the rules.
Right, because itís so normal that Satmar is part of the only community in the state that refuses to comply with the laws agreed to and abided by the vast majority of citizens in the state. If you donít like the rules, move, because everybody else agrees with and accepts (and not surprisingly, [Republican] judges keep on siding with the State as to the constitutionality of) the laws.

This is not an excuse for the Governorís behavior, but to claim the actions/requests of Satmar are objectively reasonable is ridiculous. Not working with the community to circumvent the laws everyone else needs to follow is egregious behavior??

Would Yidden have done this in 1936?
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #62 on: October 17, 2020, 10:03:26 PM »
100% look at Lakewood, no noise and ppl are somewhat  complying.

When ppl are forced to do stuff they tend not to listen.

It's like the gun argument, criminals don't seek a license.

The stuff the czar is putting out there is leaving no other explanation viable other then the fact that he's trying to shift blame on jews. Plane old anti semitism.

He is lying every day by saying ultra orthodox jews never followed the rules. Like every other community 99% did follow, 99% were closed during the so called first wave.
No, everyone but our communities in NY and NJ is complying with mask and distancing rules. Their messaging is working fine in most communities.
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #63 on: October 17, 2020, 10:06:44 PM »
We got into a power struggle with a control freak. We should've been the adults in the room that worked on deescalation and disobeying the orders quietly without fanfare, while publicly appearing to be following mandates to allow Cuomo to save face. If we could've done that concurrently with a concerted effort to bring down positivity rates, and while studiously massaging Cuomo's ego for his cooperation with local officials and community leaders, this could've been done in 2 weeks, with Cuomo claiming another victory. Instead, we let the clown shows and 6 year olds dominate the media, got into shouting matches in public, and generally let this devolve into a mess that could easily have been avoided when a bit of discipline and maturity. We know how to play the diplomacy game as well as anyone, and to allow whatever narcissists to save face. We just couldn't control the children, and our own inner children, from taking over.

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #64 on: October 17, 2020, 10:08:54 PM »
Not working with the community to circumvent the laws everyone else needs to follow is egregious behavior?
He made a promise to them if they complied with the rules he wouldnít make harsher ones. They complied and he still shut the shuls. I donít understand why he expects them to follow the rules this time.

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #65 on: October 17, 2020, 10:09:17 PM »
No, everyone but our communities in NY and NJ is complying with mask and distancing rules. Their messaging is working fine in most communities.
U are just plane and simply wrong.

Walk into any grocery every one is complying and deny as if major party's never happen outside a Jewish area.

Some ppl see one thing and one thing only.
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #66 on: October 17, 2020, 10:09:24 PM »
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He is lying every day by saying ultra orthodox jews never followed the rules. Like every other community 99% did follow, 99% were closed during the so called first wave.

Revisionist history. BS. Never happened. Things were fully closed for less than a month.
When you find yourself agreeing with me more often than not, it's time for a cheshbon hanefesh.

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #67 on: October 17, 2020, 10:13:33 PM »
Revisionist history. BS. Never happened. Things were fully closed for less than a month.
So they did comply.

According to you, they did comply at first.

The czar said they never did. Thats anti semitism. He know fully well the truth.

They  didn't play politics with lockdowns!!!
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #68 on: October 17, 2020, 10:14:56 PM »
No, everyone but our communities in NY and NJ is complying with mask and distancing rules. Their messaging is working fine in most communities.

By now the vast majority has been complying with mask wearing for a couple of weeks already.

Revisionist history. BS. Never happened. Things were fully closed for less than a month.

Wrong. I don't know about your kids but mine were out of school for a full 3 months and every shul in my vicinity was locked as well.

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #69 on: October 17, 2020, 10:16:11 PM »
Things were fully closed for less than a month.

Things were closed from Purim till mid iyar (the earliest)

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #70 on: October 17, 2020, 10:18:01 PM »
So they did comply.

According to you, they did comply at first.

The czar said they never did. Thats anti semitism. He know fully well the truth.

They  didn't play politics with lockdowns!!!

Not even at first, it took a good couple of weeks. And there were pockets of non-compliance throughout. So the guy said never when he should have said 90% of the time? This is the hill we want to die on? His point stands: the rules were barely followed at all over the last 7 months. That doesn't justify what's happening now, but let's not pretend we've been a model of good behavior.
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #71 on: October 17, 2020, 10:19:15 PM »
Things were closed from Purim till mid iyar (the earliest)

For us it was at least until Shavuous. And school was beyond that, closed for 3 months and reopened with revised hours just to finish off the last few weeks of school.

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« Reply #72 on: October 17, 2020, 10:20:15 PM »
Things were closed from Purim till mid iyar (the earliest)

They weren't closed Purim. Most schools closed a week later, and minyan factories were still fully operational for another week after that. After Pesach, shuls started up again and schools tried opening under the radar and/or in private houses. By mid-Iyar, Covid was officially cancelled.
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #73 on: October 17, 2020, 10:21:09 PM »
Revisionist history. BS. Never happened. Things were fully closed for less than a month.
where? crown heights and flatbush (can't speak for boro park - IDK) we're completely closed till shavuos

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #74 on: October 17, 2020, 10:21:48 PM »
Not even at first, it took a good couple of weeks. And there were pockets of non-compliance throughout. So the guy said never when he should have said 90% of the time? This is the hill we want to die on? His point stands: the rules were barely followed at all over the last 7 months. That doesn't justify what's happening now, but let's not pretend we've been a model of good behavior.

Even if we were not a model of good behavior, I know hundreds of families who did not attend minyan or send their kids to school and went out ONLY to buy groceries immediately from the start for at least 2 full months. Sorry, that's not just "barely following".