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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #780 on: January 04, 2021, 01:20:54 PM »
So if the provider has leftover at weeks end & gives it to average Joe he can face a $1mm penalty & lose license but if he doesn’t hand it out he could face $100,000 fine & lose distribution rights.
Sounds like the perfect combo to force them to find eligible vaccine candidates.

 
What's worse, neurotic Jews claiming anti-Semitism where it doesn't exist or smarmy know-it-alls who deny incompetence and bias when it stares them in the face because the people on the receiving end are bumbling illiterate uneducated fools?
It's not a competition. I shudder to think about the outcry if Coumo repeated your sentence.
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #781 on: January 04, 2021, 01:26:37 PM »
Sounds like the perfect combo to force them to find eligible vaccine candidates.

 It's not a competition. I shudder to think about the outcry if Coumo repeated your sentence.
Its not their job to find candidates, it’s the candidates job to show up.
If I’m a provider I shouldn’t be fined $100k because not enough eligible people showed up, while I must turn everyone else away.

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #782 on: January 04, 2021, 01:29:48 PM »
Its not their job to find candidates, it’s the candidates job to show up.
So now it is their job. Nobody is forcing any facility to administer vaccines. The government will allocate the vaccines to those willing and able to administer them to the correct priority groups.
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #783 on: January 04, 2021, 01:32:19 PM »
So now it is their job. Nobody is forcing any facility to administer vaccines. The government will allocate the vaccines to those willing and able to administer them to the correct priority groups.
If I’m a provider I shouldn’t be fined $100k because not enough eligible people showed up, while I must turn everyone else away.

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #784 on: January 04, 2021, 01:33:42 PM »
Nobody is forcing you to be a provider. It's a Capitalist society, there will enough providers who are willing to comply with the directives.
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #785 on: January 04, 2021, 01:34:40 PM »
Nobody is forcing you to be a provider. It's a Capitalist society, there will enough providers who are willing to comply with the directives.
Not your best argument @PlatinumGuy.

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #786 on: January 04, 2021, 01:35:50 PM »
It’s a Capitalist society as long as you follow the Czar’s rules. Lol

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #787 on: January 04, 2021, 01:36:52 PM »
Not your best argument @PlatinumGuy.
Very sound refutation

It’s a Capitalist society as long as you follow the Czar’s rules. Lol
Do you not want there to be government rules?
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #788 on: January 04, 2021, 01:40:39 PM »
Do you not want there to be government rules?
There should not be $100k fine if not enough eligibles showed up for the vaccine. No.
Especially while he’s so adamant that no one else get it.

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #789 on: January 04, 2021, 01:41:42 PM »
Very sound refutation
Do you not want there to be government rules?
Maybe there should be but then it is Govt not capitalism.
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #790 on: January 04, 2021, 01:42:13 PM »
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Sounds like the perfect combo to make sure no facility distributes the vaccine


 It's not a competition. I shudder to think about the outcry if Coumo repeated your sentence.

You brought anti-Semitism into a vaccine roll-out discussion to mock Cuomo's critics.

If NY were a country, it would have one of the worst Covid responses in the world, by virtually any metric. If he were a right-winger, his comments about Jews and his red-zone legislation would have been panned by the ADL and every social justice organization in the world. But instead of getting even mild criticism, we get the likes of you defending and even fawning over him, while snarkily mocking his Jewish constituents.

Nobody is forcing you to be a provider. It's a Capitalist society, there will enough providers who are willing to comply with the directives.

They're limiting providers to hospitals instead of allowing smaller medical centers that could get it distributed faster and wider

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #791 on: January 04, 2021, 01:44:00 PM »
Nobody is forcing you to be a provider. It's a Capitalist society, there will enough providers who are willing to comply with the directives.
that will entirely depend on the risk/reward assessment. If we limit it to only providers who KNOW they can use every single vaccine then that will prevent the vaccine from being readily available for those who are eligible.
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #792 on: January 04, 2021, 01:45:59 PM »
there will enough providers who are willing to comply with the directives.
If this is the case then how come only 300k of 750k have been administered ? (This from your link)

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #793 on: January 04, 2021, 01:48:16 PM »
Maybe there should be but then it is Govt not capitalism.
Capitalism doesn't mean the government cannot intervene or regulate. Do you want to abolish the SEC? How about the FDIC? This is how America works.
There should not be $100k fine if not enough eligibles showed up for the vaccine. No.
I know you hate Cuomo, but society is better off if the hospitals who are managing to use 99% of their vaccine allocations are the ones to get more allocations. Finding eligible candidates isn't an unfair burden.


If NY were a country, it would have one of the worst Covid responses in the world, by virtually any metric.
We can argue about this ad infinitum but NY isn't a country, and doesn't have jurisdiction to approve testing technologies and border closures, amongst other differences (like inability to create currency).

If this is the case then how come only 300k of 750k have been administered ? (This from your link)
Because the vaccines were given to providers without any conditions on when they use it, so they had little incentive to rush. That's changing, and that's a good thing.

that will entirely depend on the risk/reward assessment. If we limit it to only providers who KNOW they can use every single vaccine then that will prevent the vaccine from being readily available for those who are eligible.
I disagree. The priority group is large enough. Enough facilities will risk a $100k fine and attempt to find eligible candidates. I doubt it's very difficult.
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #794 on: January 04, 2021, 01:53:51 PM »
We can argue about this ad infinitum but NY isn't a country, and doesn't have jurisdiction to approve testing technologies and border closures, amongst other differences (like inability to create currency).

...Like the other 56 states

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #795 on: January 04, 2021, 01:55:32 PM »
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #796 on: January 04, 2021, 01:58:37 PM »
...Like the other 56 states

Here is a breakdown of COVID-19 deaths per 100,000 people in all 50 U.S. states and Washington, D.C. The data was last updated at 8:25 a.m. CST.

New Jersey: 216 per 100,000 people
Population: 8.9 million residents

New York: 195
Population: 19.4 million

Massachusetts: 183
Population: 6.9 million

North Dakota: 173
Population: 762,062

Connecticut: 171
Population: 3.6 million

South Dakota: 171
Population: 884,659

Rhode Island: 168
Population: 1.1 million

Mississippi: 164
Population: 3 million

Louisiana: 162
Population: 4.6 million

Illinois: 145
Population: 12.7 million

Michigan: 133
Population: 10 million

Pennsylvania: 128
Population: 12.8 million



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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #797 on: January 04, 2021, 02:00:07 PM »
I know you hate Cuomo
Correct, as I live under his control & I've watched him contribute to NY’s demise over the last decade. Not sure what your love of the man is. You’re always first to defend him.

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #798 on: January 04, 2021, 02:05:25 PM »

I disagree. The priority group is large enough. Enough facilities will risk a $100k fine and attempt to find eligible candidates. I doubt it's very difficult.

Please show another successful rollout that is using regulations and fines to achieve their goal

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #799 on: January 04, 2021, 02:06:04 PM »
Capitalism doesn't mean the government cannot intervene or regulate. Do you want to abolish the SEC? How about the FDIC? This is how America works.
That is great, but to the extent it is regulated it is not capitalist.

I disagree. The priority group is large enough. Enough facilities will risk a $100k fine and attempt to find eligible candidates. I doubt it's very difficult.
I am sure a bunch will because they feel they pretty certain that they won't end up getting fined. How much they will be willing to risk will be directly connected to how much they stand to gain.
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