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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #90 on: October 17, 2020, 10:42:29 PM »
People speaking about some Shuls or schools that were not shut down as being in any way significant, especially in comparison to other communities, obviously have no idea how many thousands of mosdos they're are in NY. The percentage which didn't close is tiny
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #91 on: October 17, 2020, 10:43:44 PM »

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #92 on: October 17, 2020, 10:43:51 PM »
Completely based on my recollection of DDF reports from the time, but it didn't seem like it was just "some" if you're talking about BP/Wili a month after shutdown.

Other places, correct.
Yes there were many shuls open the entire time, but many and most big ones were closed, And schools were fully closed for a few weeks

Keep in mind that on every block there is five shuls and they are all independent

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #93 on: October 17, 2020, 10:44:09 PM »
You started a thread on April 12 about shuls being open in secret. Come on...

Like @Yehuda57 mentioned, perhaps "some" shuls opened underground. In that place there were hundreds if not thousands that remained shuttered. And even if some opened secretly their attendance was nowhere near what it was usual. Most ppl were still davening biyechidus.

But definitely NOT schools until much later.

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #94 on: October 17, 2020, 10:46:08 PM »
But definitely NOT schools until much later.
In BP/Willi?!?
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #95 on: October 17, 2020, 10:46:30 PM »
Btw he's still vocal now..  From a different standpoint

https://www.dansdeals.com/more/coronavirus/ny-governor-cuomo-orders-schools-closed-select-nyc-zip-codes-businesses-houses-worship-next/#comment-1495608
Yup, we missed his progression of thought because of his DDF hiatus :)
But I think everyone's opinions have evolved over time.
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #96 on: October 17, 2020, 10:46:57 PM »
There were *some* places that didn't shut down. Same for every demographic.
And his real time reports were of street minyanim in front of his front door
Youíre dead wrong. The mass noncompliance re: masks and SD in our community is unrivaled in the tri-State area. I live here and am around, like all of you.

Surreal that this is being argued honestly.
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #97 on: October 17, 2020, 10:47:06 PM »
Gov. Coumo is right. He defines ultra orthodox based on compliance ;)

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #98 on: October 17, 2020, 10:47:41 PM »
In BP/Willi?!?
Talking of schools, Sure!
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #99 on: October 17, 2020, 10:48:03 PM »
it didn't seem like it was just "some" if you're talking about BP/Wili a month after shutdown.

It actually just was "some" based on percentages of shuls in these neighborhoods. And like I said schools were completely shut for even longer.

And even if it was closed for just a month (which it wasn't) doesn't give Cuomo permission to say we NEVER followed the rules.  That 1 month nixes that argument.

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #100 on: October 17, 2020, 10:48:11 PM »
In BP/Willi?!?
Schools were fully closed for a few weeks

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #101 on: October 17, 2020, 10:48:18 PM »
What are you talking about, things were absolutely shut down. If you recall, we've been in agreement on most Covid related stuff, but I argued at the end of April (iirc) that they had better tone down the extreme lockdown or people will throw out ALL precautions.

How did that turn out? It took a certain meshugeneh who "had just enough" to unlock playgrounds. I wonder what ever happened with him?

Let me clarify. Saying 99% were shut down for months is false. By Shavuos, every shul was packed, per reports here. That didn't happen overnight. There was chatter here starting already on Pesach about people ignoring violations, even if the shuls weren't officially open.

My point isn't to argue the little details. The point is, there has been widespread ignoring of the rules and regs for a very, very long time in our communities. We can take issue with the current situation without trying to whitewash our past misbehavior.

And yes, your take on the restrictions back then was quite on point.
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #102 on: October 17, 2020, 10:49:17 PM »
It actually just was "some" based on percentages of shuls in these neighborhoods. And like I said schools were completely shut for even longer.

And even if it was closed for just a month (which it wasn't) doesn't give Cuomo permission to say we NEVER followed the rules.  That 1 month nixes that argument.
Come on. I'm not justifying Cuomo. He's off his rocker at this point and I called him out in my last news roundup.
But I am for being honest about the facts. Saying every shul and school was shutdown until after Shavuos is nonsense. A majority, sure.
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #103 on: October 17, 2020, 10:49:22 PM »
Straw man call out: shut downs werenít and arenít the only rules in play. Masking and SD rules have been in effect for months with near zero compliance.

Please donít read this as a defense of the Governor.
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #104 on: October 17, 2020, 10:49:59 PM »
Schools were fully closed for a few weeks
That's exactly what I said.
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