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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #160 on: October 17, 2020, 11:43:36 PM »

Btw, I was the only person in my shul today with a mask.
It's inexcusable at this point. It's like NYers want to be locked down.
I just don't get it.
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« Reply #161 on: October 17, 2020, 11:45:04 PM »
Btw, I was the only person in my shul today with a mask. Believe me, that's far more uncomfortable than the mask itself.

I know you're not looking for it, but much respect.
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #162 on: October 17, 2020, 11:45:30 PM »
It won't be because of the disagreements, but more because of the inanity.
I am trying to follow/understand this thread but please don't use words I need to Google.  ;)
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #163 on: October 17, 2020, 11:45:42 PM »
Other communities absolutely do get outreach. What do you think the daily pressers are for. Celebrities are used to spread messages, and local news, TV and other media is used to spread information. For the most part, our communities don't use those mediums, and I would wager you could you can find a correlation between compliance and those that do use those mediums. 
You're probably right. Cuomo meeting with a few Rebbes would probably go a long way.

There are many, many doctors telling their patients that masks are useless in preventing the spread. Btw, I was the only person in my shul today with a mask. Believe me, that's far more uncomfortable than the mask itself.

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« Reply #164 on: October 17, 2020, 11:46:21 PM »
I did, but we're discussing different things. I say the vast majority shut down, you reply, "you're dead wrong, no one wore masks and SD"

Come on.
True. I was responding not directly to you, but to the general denialism on the thread.
 
Other communities absolutely do get outreach. What do you think the daily pressers are for. Celebrities are used to spread messages, and local news, TV and other media is used to spread information. For the most part, our communities don't use those mediums, and I would wager you could you can find a correlation between compliance and those that do use those mediums.
Fair point. There’s probably a lot of truth to this, but it doesn’t tell the whole story.
There are many, many doctors telling their patients that masks are useless in preventing the spread. Btw, I was the only person in my shul today with a mask. Believe me, that's far more uncomfortable than the mask itself.
Tell me about it. Nuts.
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #165 on: October 17, 2020, 11:47:11 PM »
It's inexcusable at this point. It's like NYers want to be locked down.
I just don't get it.
Why should they wear a mask if their governor is antisemitic?
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #166 on: October 17, 2020, 11:48:19 PM »
It's inexcusable at this point. It's like NYers want to be locked down.
I just don't get it.

Every single person I spoke to today had covid before Pesach. In Crown Heights the rate of people my age who had it is insanely high. AFAIK, the only hospitalization in ch in "the second wave" is an Israeli guest.

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #167 on: October 17, 2020, 11:48:34 PM »
Why should they wear a mask if their governor is antisemitic?
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #168 on: October 17, 2020, 11:48:58 PM »
I think we agree, for the most part. I hope I didn't come across as saying no one kept anything, ever. That's not true. I'm just annoyed at people pretending that everyone kept everything for months, which is also not true. Cuomo's gross overreach and generalizations don't give us the right to absolve ourselves from our misdeeds. I just wish there was a little more accountability and ownership here. Pretending we are blameless hurts us.
Understood.

But do you also agree that every ultra orthodox family sacrificed a lot more than the average American? If so by putting that in perspective you should try to understand the Orthodox brooklynites more.

I am also frustrated why we are not following the rules especially since Rosh Hashona when we heard about the uptick and should've started to comply more short term in order to have a relatively normal life again long term. Now we are unfortunately screwed.

Yet, I also don't blame the people who are not complying, why should they listen to Cuomo when they know first hand how hard it is? But they certainly would have listened to our Rabbonim if they would be הרואה את הנולד. But unfortunately were not and are pretty much quiet.

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #169 on: October 17, 2020, 11:49:41 PM »
It's inexcusable at this point. It's like NYers want to be locked down.
I just don't get it.

This. This is what gets me. If you know there's a speed trap, who cares if you think 25 MPH is ridiculous?? You slow down or deal with the consequences. One ticket, 2 tickets, and then you want to complain that your license is suspended? Common sense, people!
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #170 on: October 17, 2020, 11:50:26 PM »
Every single person I spoke to today had covid before Pesach. In Crown Heights the rate of people my age who had it is insanely high. AFAIK, the only hospitalization in ch in "the second wave" is an Israeli guest.
Yeah, that's what everyone in BP, Monsey, and Lakewood said...are you telling me that IgG testing shows 100% positive in CH?
Come on.
The problem is people assumed exposure without getting sick means immunity, which we now know is nonsense.
The 2nd wave is just beginning. Just takes a spark to start it in each place.
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #171 on: October 17, 2020, 11:51:26 PM »
Yeah, that's what everyone in BP, Monsey, and Lakewood said...are you telling me that IgG testing shows 100% positive in CH?
Come on.
The problem is people assumed exposure means immunity, which we now know is nonsense.
The 2nd wave is just beginning. Just takes a spark to start it.

Thought I had it twice, tested negative both times (once was a bad flu the other time was a bad strep).
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« Reply #172 on: October 17, 2020, 11:52:38 PM »
Thought I had it twice, tested negative both times (once was a bad flu the other time was a bad strep).
Did you check for antibodies?
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #173 on: October 17, 2020, 11:52:52 PM »
Thought I had it twice, tested negative both times (once was a bad flu the other time was a bad strep).
Exactly.
Did you take an antibody test?
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« Reply #174 on: October 17, 2020, 11:53:54 PM »
There are rumors schools are finally closing tomorrow after Cuomo threatened criminal actions against administrators. I would think it's more about money though.
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« Reply #175 on: October 17, 2020, 11:55:35 PM »
But do you also agree that every ultra orthodox family sacrificed a lot more than the average American? If so by putting that in perspective you should try to understand the Orthodox brooklynites more.

40% of my immediate family lives in NY, and none in a house. I lived there myself. Not a day goes by that I don't thank G-d for where I live and what I have. I get it. I know it's a lot easier to shake my fist from here than to live it there.

But that's also what irks me. If you know the high cost of a lockdown, shouldn't you be doing everything in your power to avoid it?!
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #176 on: October 17, 2020, 11:56:40 PM »
Every single person I spoke to today had covid before Pesach. In Crown Heights the rate of people my age who had it is insanely high. AFAIK, the only hospitalization in ch in "the second wave" is an Israeli guest.

This is statistically nearly impossible. The morbidity rates in CH mirror rest of NYC, and randomized antibody surveys show that way less than that had it. In addition, everyone knows plenty of people that were extremely extensively exposed, yet never caught it. In addition,a very large subset of people are completely asymptomatic, so if everyone was symptomatic and therefore believes they caught it, they are an exception to the rest the world. If 100% of people believe they got it, that speaks more to the hypochondriac syndrome inherent in a metoo mob mentality than to actual infection rates.

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« Reply #177 on: October 17, 2020, 11:57:34 PM »
Yeah, that's what everyone in BP, Monsey, and Lakewood said...are you telling me that IgG testing shows 100% positive in CH?
Come on.
The 2nd wave is just beginning. Just takes a spark to start it.

CH got hit earlier and harder than the others.
The sparks keep happening, coming home from the summer, wedding season, tishrei guests, Rosh Hashana, Yom Kippur...

I know it could still happen, and I'm taking precautions and encouraging anyone who will listen to do the same. But I absolutely cannot blame people who had covid, have antibodies, and are sick and tired of the hypocrisy of the rule makers for being lax.

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« Reply #178 on: October 17, 2020, 11:58:45 PM »
Yeah, that's what everyone in BP, Monsey, and Lakewood said...are you telling me that IgG testing shows 100% positive in CH?
Come on.
The problem is people assumed exposure without getting sick means immunity, which we now know is nonsense.
The 2nd wave is just beginning. Just takes a spark to start it in each place.

Not nonsense, but whatever immunity they seemed to have had last time seems to have worn off. A lot of yeshivos had every single person that did not catch in March and April catch it now when it went around yeshiva, and zero reinfections. It's statistically relevant.

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« Reply #179 on: October 18, 2020, 12:00:12 AM »
This is statistically nearly impossible. The morbidity rates in CH mirror rest of NYC, and randomized antibody surveys show that way less than that had it. In addition, everyone knows plenty of people that were extremely extensively exposed, yet never caught it. In addition,a very large subset of people are completely asymptomatic, so if everyone was symptomatic and therefore believes they caught it, they are an exception to the rest the world. If 100% of people believe they got it, that speaks more to the hypochondriac syndrome inherent in a metoo mob mentality than to actual infection rates.

You have no idea how many people I spoke to today.