Czar Cuomo

[PlatinumGuy]

Please show another successful rollout that is using regulations and fines to achieve their goal

Please show any successful US rollout? Here's something that hopefully will work

[Yehuda57]

Here is a breakdown of COVID-19 deaths per 100,000 people in all 50 U.S. states and Washington, D.C. The data was last updated at 8:25 a.m. CST.

So your grand refutation of "one of the worst in the world" was that NJ was worse? (And almost double the rate of FL which has been ripped to shreds by Cuomo and his defenders)

[Yehuda57]

(This is a reference

If I was referencing that it would have been 55

[Euclid]

If I was referencing that it would have been 55

If NY were a country

[Yehuda57]

Please show any successful US rollout? Here's something that hopefully will work

Well, we have foreign rollouts that have already shown better results, and thankfully some states/jurisdictions are following suit

https://twitter.com/jbarro/status/1346115440880340994

[TimT]

Well, we have foreign rollouts that have already shown better results, and thankfully some states/jurisdictions are following suit

https://twitter.com/jbarro/status/1346115440880340994

Bingo. The difference between brute & brain.

[Yehuda57]

Either way, even if his plan ends up succeeding*, that still doesn't excuse the smug condescension of Cuomo and his proponents.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/way-behind-nyc-councilman-pushes-for-24-7-vaccine-sites-as-feared-surge-upon-surge-looms/2809875/

What an antisemite

*Like @aygart said, if it succeeds it will despite his rules, not because of them. Facilities will go ahead without factoring in fines, as many businesses have been doing for months.

[Yehuda57]

Everyone knows you have to leave NY to get to the Country

[Dan]

Well, we have foreign rollouts that have already shown better results, and thankfully some states/jurisdictions are following suit

https://twitter.com/jbarro/status/1346115440880340994

Finally some brains in this process.

[skyguy918]

That is great, but to the extent it is regulated it is not capitalist.

There's a fairly broad spectrum of what's considered capitalism, and regulation alone does not preclude the application of the term capitalist.

[aygart]

There's a fairly broad spectrum of what's considered capitalism, and regulation alone does not preclude the application of the term capitalist.

Because it is not pure capitalism. That is fine.

[skyguy918]

Because it is not pure capitalism. That is fine.

First of all, no one said anything about pure capitalism - if that's your metric, you'll struggle to find many examples of pure capitalism in the real world. TimT's original phrase was 'capitalist society', and PG rightly pointed out that we already have plenty of regulation and the 2 aren't a contradiction. Even the very left wing 'social democracies' of Europe have what would generally be described as primarily capitalist economies.

[TimT]

TimT's original phrase was 'capitalist society', and PG rightly pointed out that we already have plenty of regulation and the 2 aren't a contradiction.

Punked farkert

[skyguy918]

Punked farkert

If a country is described as being a capitalist economy, that does not have to mean a pure free-market economy with absolutely no regulation.

There are many variants of capitalism in existence that differ according to country and region. They vary in their institutional makeup and by their economic policies. The common features among all the different forms of capitalism is that they are predominantly based on the private ownership of the means of production and the production of goods and services for profit; the market-based allocation of resources; and the accumulation of capital.

You seem to have decided on your own definition of capitalist society/economy, regardless of actual usage of those terms.

ETA: I should add that I'm not saying any of this as an endorsement of Cuomo's handling of the vaccine rollout. I'm simply correcting what seems to be a pretty clear misconception by some members as to what these terms mean.

[Yehuda57]

If a country is described as being a capitalist economy, that does not have to mean a pure free-market economy with absolutely no regulation.

You seem to have decided on your own definition of capitalist society/economy, regardless of actual usage of those terms.

ETA: I should add that I'm not saying any of this as an endorsement of Cuomo's handling of the vaccine rollout. I'm simply correcting what seems to be a pretty clear misconception by some members as to what these terms mean.

That's not how the conversation evolved. PG used "well that's Capitalism" to excuse unbridled and extremely punitive government regulation.

[skyguy918]

That's not how the conversation evolved. PG used "well that's Capitalism" to excuse unbridled and extremely punitive government regulation.

I read the same conversation you did. You're adding a lot of color commentary to arrive at the version you just summarized. (Again, speaking specifically about the term capitalist society and how it was used, not about whether Cuomo is in the right here.)

[zh cohen]

How much they will be willing to risk will be directly connected to how much they stand to gain.

What incentive do hospitals have to accept vaccines (beyond what they need for staff)? If there a significant financial incentive?

[yelped]

What incentive do hospitals have to accept vaccines (beyond what they need for staff)? If there a significant financial incentive?

I'm assuming the same as administering any other shot?

[TimT]

https://twitter.com/ChaimDeutsch/status/1346178413103616001

[etech0]

New York State announced new "Use It or Lose It" vaccine regulations. We are laser-focused on speeding up the vaccination process, and to that end, hospitals and facilities that are not administering their vaccine allocations in a timely manner could be fined or lose receipt of future allocations to other, more efficient facilities. With so many people waiting to get the vaccine, facilities must "use it or lose it."