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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #820 on: January 04, 2021, 07:56:27 PM »
I'm assuming the same as administering any other shot?

Are they risking a $100,000 fine for not giving other vaccines quickly enough?

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #821 on: January 04, 2021, 08:07:44 PM »
Are they risking a $100,000 fine for not giving other vaccines quickly enough?
Has his Highness decreed the fine on other vaccines ?

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #822 on: January 04, 2021, 09:25:38 PM »
That's not how the conversation evolved. PG used "well that's Capitalism" to excuse unbridled and extremely punitive government regulation.
You know that's not true. I said capitalism will cause providers to rise to the offer to vaccinate people and make money despite the conditions of locating designated candidates.


What incentive do hospitals have to accept vaccines (beyond what they need for staff)? If there a significant financial incentive?
Billing insurance medicare etc. Why did you think they were doing it until now?
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #823 on: January 04, 2021, 09:25:51 PM »
I read the same conversation you did. You're adding a lot of color commentary to arrive at the version you just summarized. (Again, speaking specifically about the term capitalist society and how it was used, not about whether Cuomo is in the right here.)
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #824 on: January 04, 2021, 10:23:57 PM »
You know that's not true. I said capitalism will cause providers to rise to the offer to vaccinate people and make money despite the conditions of locating designated candidates.

Billing insurance medicare etc. Why did you think they were doing it until now?
That works great for large providers but not for small ones who can be risking more than their potential profits and may not have the network to be so clear that they can administer enough to the irght people. THat is a recipe for it to become more difficult to find and less widespread.
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #825 on: January 05, 2021, 01:05:03 AM »
While we can all argue here, The DATA and SCIENCE is definitely on his side as thru the whole pandemic. :-[

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #826 on: January 05, 2021, 01:12:24 AM »
While we can all argue here, The DATA and SCIENCE is definitely on his side as thru the whole pandemic. :-[
The science and data shows that he's an irrational autocrat.

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #827 on: January 05, 2021, 01:34:00 AM »
That works great for large providers but not for small ones who can be risking more than their potential profits and may not have the network to be so clear that they can administer enough to the irght people. THat is a recipe for it to become more difficult to find and less widespread.
More than half of NYS can easily get the vaccine in NYC. It will be months before that’s an actual issue.
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #828 on: January 05, 2021, 08:18:55 AM »
More than half of NYS can easily get the vaccine in NYC. It will be months before that’s an actual issue.
Requiring a hospital visit to get a vaccine is not called easily. Being able to get it at your regular doctor is. It is BECAUSE of his dumb policies that it will take months for anything.
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #829 on: January 05, 2021, 10:15:04 AM »
So now it is their job. Nobody is forcing any facility to administer vaccines. The government will allocate the vaccines to those willing and able to administer them to the correct priority groups.

This is completely irrational nonsense. If a facility thinks it can vaccinate 10k, they will order 7k because they will make sure they don't get fined. And voila! Cuomo just slowed down the vaccination process by 30%.
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #830 on: January 05, 2021, 10:18:11 AM »
More than half of NYS can easily get the vaccine in NYC. It will be months before that’s an actual issue.

lol. I mean it's an issue *right now*, but what do all the public healthcare experts begging for Cuomo to change the policy know?

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #831 on: January 05, 2021, 10:36:21 AM »
This is completely irrational nonsense. If a facility thinks it can vaccinate 10k, they will order 7k because they will make sure they don't get fined. And voila! Cuomo just slowed down the vaccination process by 30%.
This is only true if there are enough doses for every facility to get all the doses they can use. Right now there aren't nearly enough doses available.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #832 on: January 05, 2021, 11:20:33 AM »
This is only true if there are enough doses for every facility to get all the doses they can use. Right now there aren't nearly enough doses available.
Yet these facilities have a large amount of doses not being administered. So if I’m a provider & I’m afraid of being fined I’m going to order only what’s guaranteed to go & just turn everyone else away.

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #833 on: January 05, 2021, 11:23:41 AM »
Yet these facilities have a large amount of doses not being administered. So if I’m a provider & I’m afraid of being fined I’m going to order only what’s guaranteed to go & just turn everyone else away.
Good, now another facility will be able to get the remaining doses.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #834 on: January 05, 2021, 11:25:18 AM »
Good, now another facility will be able to get the remaining doses.
Not if they’re also afraid of being fined.

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #835 on: January 05, 2021, 11:34:15 AM »
Not if they’re also afraid of being fined.
Are you saying no one will administer the vaccine because they're afraid of the fines?

I don't think fines are a good idea, but this argument against them doesn't hold water.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #836 on: January 05, 2021, 11:35:22 AM »
Are you saying no one will administer the vaccine because they're afraid of the fines?
Not at all. Read what I wrote

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #837 on: January 05, 2021, 11:40:38 AM »
Not at all. Read what I wrote
As long as there are others who are not afraid of the fine they will be happy to administer it. If there is something I'm not understanding, please clarify.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #838 on: January 05, 2021, 11:42:00 AM »
So the media is killing desantis for making seniors lineup overnight. But not saying a word about Cuomo who hasn’t even gotten to vaccinating seniors yet?

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #839 on: January 05, 2021, 11:45:25 AM »
As long as there are others who are not afraid of the fine they will be happy to administer it.
These others that aren’t afraid of fines won’t feel pressured  to administer all their doses. Get it ? :)