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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #1000 on: February 15, 2021, 09:45:12 PM »

Targeting the jews because they are an easy target is textbook antisemitism.
This is actually not at all true.
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #1001 on: February 15, 2021, 09:55:35 PM »
There was almost zero negative reporting over the fact that this man was responsible for the deaths of thousands of senior citizens.

This is a fiction. Every part of the saga was reported. Of course the media is biased and didn't cover it as much as Fox did or as much as you think they should, but it isn't motivated by a desire to protect Cuomo, it's for the simple reason that if CNN would harp on whining about Cuomo people would switch the channel. Their customers simply don't want to hear it.

I never claimed the media wasn't biased. I just think the liberal media being biased isn't having that much of an impact on shaping voter opinion. Anybody who keeps up with the news is fully aware of everything Cuomo did. The left legitimately sees it all differently and doesn't think Cuomo is the demon you think he is. I for example am well aware of everything you are about Cuomo and still think overall he was one of the most important people to the American response. If their opinion isn't based on a lack of information, how does a biased media affect it? 

This isn't about government having a say in religious matters or stopping sins. It's about government proactively changing it's laws to certify whatever behavior some people would like to call marriage. That's a huge step forward than just saying "Govt shouldn't enforce".

And your analogy of what if the government chooses to recognize only wedding conducted in a church while not recognizing rabbinical ones is faulty. That would be simple discriminating against one religion. The proper liberal idea would be that government shouldn't recognize marriages of neither religion and only civil marriages. But I would be ok with that.

What if most of the country CH"V would only agree to recognize marriages between 2 people of the same country. Would you not think refusing to acknowledge a union between man and woman is unfair?

Any distinction between the two is based on religion and the government shouldn't be deciding this way or that way. It should stay out of it
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #1002 on: February 15, 2021, 10:10:26 PM »
You can't just discount more than 10k deaths because it happened in this imaginary grace period.
That's subjective. The left thinks differently than you. Respect that your opinion isn't the only one.

And no, the mainstream media has not covered any of this. They are only now starting to report on the nursing home fiasco. They still have not covered the blatant anti Semitic micro cluster strategy, nor his sudden post Biden about face in lockdowns.

All 3 of those stories were reported by all MSM outlets at the time, even if the coverage was in insufficient for your satisfaction. You're simply fabricating lies out of hatred of Cuomo.

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #1003 on: February 15, 2021, 10:13:30 PM »
My favorite quote from Cuomo's presser, in response to a question about whether he feels he has anything to apologize for:

"Apologize? Look, I have said repeatedly we made a mistake in creating the void. We made a mistake in creating the void. When we didn’t provide information, it allowed press, people, cynics, politicians to fill the void. When you don’t correct disinformation, you allow it to continue. I take responsibility for that. We did create the void and that created pain and I feel very badly about that."
I thought he won an acting award for his communication?
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #1004 on: February 15, 2021, 10:17:29 PM »
I thought he won an acting award for his communication?
He has a movie in the works,  “Creation of The Void”
Coming to a nursing home near you.

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #1005 on: February 16, 2021, 12:31:35 AM »
What about the standard in place until a few years ago that nearly everyone agreed upon (see: DOMA), which is that marriage sanctioned by government is a good thing, but only between one man and one woman? How did that 200+ year old American value change in just a few years, to the point that even the most ardent defenders just want *all* marriages unrecognized?

You can apply that logic to question why the whole world considers slavery out of question. That was universally accepted, until it wasn't. Same for women working and then women voting.

The same Torah that defines marriage as between one man and one woman, gives man a right to sell himself to be looked after and provided for as a slave.
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #1006 on: February 16, 2021, 07:28:26 AM »
The left legitimately sees it all differently and doesn't think Cuomo is the demon you think he is. I for example am well aware of everything you are about Cuomo and still think overall he was one of the most important people to the American response.
Aren’t you repeating yourself?

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #1007 on: February 16, 2021, 05:27:18 PM »
A majority of New York voters ripped Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s reporting of nursing home residents killed by the coronavirus, a new survey released Tuesday reveals. The Siena College poll asked respondents whether Cuomo is “making public all data about COVID-related deaths of nursing home patients.”

Fifty five percent of registered voters rated Cuomo negatively - fair or poor - on the disclosure of nursing home fatality data.

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #1008 on: February 16, 2021, 10:27:35 PM »
Aren’t you repeating yourself?
No, one is an assumption, and the second is proof.
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #1010 on: February 17, 2021, 03:48:33 PM »
You can apply that logic to question why the whole world considers slavery out of question. That was universally accepted, until it wasn't. Same for women working and then women voting.

The same Torah that defines marriage as between one man and one woman, gives man a right to sell himself to be looked after and provided for as a slave.
I think the Torah allows for marriage between one man and more than one woman.

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #1011 on: February 17, 2021, 05:31:00 PM »
I think the Torah allows for marriage between one man and more than one woman.

It still defines marriage as one man and one woman :P

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Re: Czar Cuomo
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Re: Czar Cuomo
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #1014 on: February 17, 2021, 08:51:44 PM »
The FBI and the U.S. attorney's office in Brooklyn have launched an investigation that is examining, at least in part, the actions of Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo's coronavirus task force in its handling of nursing homes and other long-term care facilities during the pandemic, the Times Union has learned.

The probe by the U.S. attorney's office in the Eastern District of New York is apparently in its early stages and is focusing on the work of some of the senior members of the governor's task force, according to a person with direct knowledge of the matter who is not authorized to comment publicly.


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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #1015 on: February 17, 2021, 08:53:59 PM »
CNN claimed Wednesday that it has reinstated a “rule” that prevents Chris Cuomo from “interviewing or covering his brother” — after the host completely ignored the nursing home death cover-up scandal engulfing Gov. Andrew Cuomo.

Last year, Chris Cuomo repeatedly interviewed his older brother about the coronavirus pandemic, engaging in often-cringey banter that initially helped boost the ratings for the 9 p.m. “Cuomo Prime Time.”

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #1016 on: February 17, 2021, 09:36:25 PM »
How wonderful it is to see the downfall of our enemy in Adar!




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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #1017 on: February 17, 2021, 10:20:55 PM »
I think the Torah allows for marriage between one man and more than one woman.
Good point.
It still defines marriage as one man and one woman :P

Yeah, the second wife is a separate marriage. A marriage is one man and one woman.
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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #1018 on: February 17, 2021, 11:02:22 PM »
A marriage is one man and one woman.

Sorry, it says ודבק באשתו, not ודבק בנשותיו. It also says והיו לבשר אחד, not sure how a man can have two simultaneous wives and והיו - and they (the man and his singular wife) be - a בשר אחד with both.

The way I heard it presented in a very informative lecture (it was given on Shabbos, so no recordings) is that nearly all of the references in Tanach and חז״ל to polygamy (one man with multiple wives) were בדיעבד, frowned upon, and/or to serve a very specific purpose. The presenter offered at least 10 examples with well-sourced commentary quotes for each of them.

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Re: Czar Cuomo
« Reply #1019 on: February 17, 2021, 11:06:27 PM »
that nearly all of the references in Tanach and חז״ל to polygamy (one man with multiple wives) were בדיעבד, frowned upon, and/or to serve a very specific purpose.
Not necessary arguing with that
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