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Re: Demographics Trump Is Polling Badly In
« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2020, 12:21:57 AM »
Yes, it was a very stupid move. Also, playing up Biden’s “dementia” cost him big when voters got to see them face to face.
Screwing up the second stimulus check was probably the biggest mistake of his life.
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Re: Demographics Trump Is Polling Badly In
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Re: Demographics Trump Is Polling Badly In
« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2020, 12:23:06 AM »
Screwing up the second stimulus check was probably the biggest mistake of his life.

But don’t worry, he’s the king of making deals...

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Re: Demographics Trump Is Polling Badly In
« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2020, 12:24:26 AM »
But don’t worry, he’s the king of making deals...

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Demographics Trump Is Polling Badly In
« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2020, 12:29:29 AM »
Random anecdote, this week in the Poconos (PA) I saw more Trump signs than Biden signs.

Also, in general way more signs than I've seen in NJ. Do people get paid to put out lawn signs?

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Re: Demographics Trump Is Polling Badly In
« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2020, 12:33:50 AM »
Random anecdote, this week in the Poconos (PA) I saw more Trump signs than Biden signs.

Also, in general way more signs than I've seen in NJ. Do people get paid to put out lawn signs?
I'm sure they are distributing them more actively in PA.

Rural PA is overwhelmingly red, so no surprise on the Trump signs. The D's have Philadelphia. The fight is in the suburbs.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/politics/pennsylvania-political-geography/

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Re: Demographics Trump Is Polling Badly In
« Reply #26 on: October 16, 2020, 12:38:54 AM »
Random anecdote, this week in the Poconos (PA) I saw more Trump signs than Biden signs.

Also, in general way more signs than I've seen in NJ. Do people get paid to put out lawn signs?
Funny, Trump voters are too embarrassed to tell pollsters who they’re voting for but have no trouble putting up lawn signs
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Re: Demographics Trump Is Polling Badly In
« Reply #27 on: October 16, 2020, 12:41:40 AM »
Funny, Trump voters are too embarrassed to tell pollsters who they’re voting for but have no trouble putting up lawn signs
The whole shy-Trump voter theory has been debunked by online polls where people have nothing to be embarrassed by.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/31/upshot/a-2016-review-why-key-state-polls-were-wrong-about-trump.html
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Re: Demographics Trump Is Polling Badly In
« Reply #28 on: October 19, 2020, 12:40:14 AM »
Low-income Hispanics in Texas had 30% turnout in 2016. If Biden can get enough of them out to vote, he stands a chance at flipping the state. The DNC has been progressively improving and kept full time offices in many small towns. Supposedly Bet Obourke is running a fierce campaign 
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Re: Demographics Trump Is Polling Badly In
« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2020, 02:34:46 PM »
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/here-s-how-trump-underperforming-2016-n1044256

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So not surprisingly, Trump is underperforming in our poll among almost all subgroups from the exit poll in 2016, when he took 46 percent of the popular vote.

Here’s the breakdown:

Men: Trump +8 points in the NBC/WSJ poll (was +11 in the 2016 exit poll)
Women: -32 points (was -13)
Whites: +5 (was +20)
African Americans: -84 (was -81)
Latinos: -36 (was -38)
Independents: -19 (was +4)
Whites with college degrees: -19 (was +3)
Whites without college degrees: +18 (was +37)
Of course, Trump won’t be facing a generic Democrat next year. Plus, this is among all registered voters, not likely voters.


If every single person who votes for Trump in 2016 votes for Trump in 2020, but nobody else does, he will lose by more than 20%. There are already 25m voters who voted in 2020 and didn't vote in 2016.

I have an easy time seeing people who didn't vote in 2016 being more enthusiastic about Biden in 2020. It's very evident amongst democratic leaning subgroups in Texas.

Trump needs many people who didn't vote in 2016, or voted for HRC, to vote for him now.

Who can they be?

-Newly eligible to vote: Young & immigrants are both 2:1 D
-Republican leaning Never Trumpers who are now more comfortable with him - are they going to be enthusiastic enough to turn out?
-His standard base (50yo white MAGA men) who were too lazy to vote in 2016 but feel more is at risk this time - this is whom the rallies & tweeting are for
-His standard base who who were too lazy to vote in 2016 because they believed the MSM that he had no chance - how enthusiastic are they to turn out on ED?
-His standard base who who were too lazy to vote in 2016 but have more time on their hands with Covid - they are voting early

Any other profiles?
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Re: Demographics Trump Is Polling Badly In
« Reply #30 on: October 29, 2020, 04:08:03 PM »
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/here-s-how-trump-underperforming-2016-n1044256


If every single person who votes for Trump in 2016 votes for Trump in 2020, but nobody else does, he will lose by more than 20%. There are already 25m voters who voted in 2020 and didn't vote in 2016.

I have an easy time seeing people who didn't vote in 2016 being more enthusiastic about Biden in 2020. It's very evident amongst democratic leaning subgroups in Texas.

Trump needs many people who didn't vote in 2016, or voted for HRC, to vote for him now.

Who can they be?

-Newly eligible to vote: Young & immigrants are both 2:1 D
-Republican leaning Never Trumpers who are now more comfortable with him - are they going to be enthusiastic enough to turn out?
-His standard base (50yo white MAGA men) who were too lazy to vote in 2016 but feel more is at risk this time - this is whom the rallies & tweeting are for
-His standard base who who were too lazy to vote in 2016 because they believed the MSM that he had no chance - how enthusiastic are they to turn out on ED?
-His standard base who who were too lazy to vote in 2016 but have more time on their hands with Covid - they are voting early

Any other profiles?
I guess you left out 2 big reasons the Rs are counting on
#1 newly registered voters that never voted before Rs are leading by a large margins in swing states
#2 the Black and Hispanic they are counting on.   
#3 And its not just the never Trumpers its Rs and I who didn't know what to expect as someone with no political history saw that he did what he said he would
#1 Prison reform
#2 renegotiated trade deal
#3 major tax reform
#4 Actually building wall over 400 miles so far.
#5 I just have to say Israel and you could put in Embassy, Golan Heights, stopping giving Money to PLO, got out of a lot of anti Israel UN organizations and of course stop paying money to those UN organizations! And of course all the Israel peace deals they did, not like crack head John Kerry who said there wont be peace with any nation without Palestine!

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Re: Demographics Trump Is Polling Badly In
« Reply #31 on: October 29, 2020, 04:49:40 PM »
I guess you left out 2 big reasons the Rs are counting on
#1 newly registered voters that never voted before Rs are leading by a large margins in swing states
Without getting into a conversation if that's true, my question is who they are?


#2 the Black and Hispanic they are counting on.
The poll I quoted shows less black support than 2016. You can argue with the numbers, but not with the trend. He does have 2% more hispanics.


 
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Re: Demographics Trump Is Polling Badly In
« Reply #32 on: October 29, 2020, 04:53:12 PM »
Without getting into a conversation if that's true, my question is who they are?
I would not assume a registered R is voting for Trump or the other way around.
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Re: Demographics Trump Is Polling Badly In
« Reply #33 on: October 29, 2020, 05:26:35 PM »
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/democracy/reports/2017/11/01/441926/voter-trends-in-2016/

Interesting read. It appears Trump's core base already had very high turnout in 2016, making it harder to see him growing even more.
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Re: Demographics Trump Is Polling Badly In
« Reply #38 on: November 02, 2020, 11:58:04 AM »

If you can't get the Karen vote you are in big trouble.
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