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Re: EY website now in Hebrew
« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2020, 04:39:52 PM »
Sounds like a very strong ה to me.

So it is Haifa - היפה, Holon - הולון and Hebron - הברון?

Regardless of how it sounds to you (have you never heard yemenites who actually have a better differentiation of various Hebrew consonants, so an א can be distinguished from an ע, and a ח from a כ. And some sefardi pronunciations that have a clear distinction between a ט and a ת?) it would simply be laughable to write it with a ה.
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Re: EY website now in Hebrew
« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2020, 07:57:10 PM »
So it is Haifa - היפה, Holon - הולון and Hebron - הברון?

Regardless of how it sounds to you (have you never heard yemenites who actually have a better differentiation of various Hebrew consonants, so an א can be distinguished from an ע, and a ח from a כ. And some sefardi pronunciations that have a clear distinction between a ט and a ת?) it would simply be laughable to write it with a ה.
Guess the one and only ע we all still pronounce correctly?

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Re: EY website now in Hebrew
« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2020, 09:50:08 PM »
Guess the one and only ע we all still pronounce correctly?

The ע in עלידזשעלי?  ;D
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Re: EY website now in Hebrew
« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2020, 09:56:08 PM »
Guess the one and only ע we all still pronounce correctly?
הע קע :P    Hong Kong
« Last Edit: October 18, 2020, 11:37:16 PM by yungermanchik »
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Re: EY website now in Hebrew
« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2020, 11:17:44 PM »
The ע in עלידזשעלי?  ;D
Lol. Pretty close :)
It's the ע in the name יעקב that didn't change over the past four millennia. Although in American-Litvish they killed it by saying Yaakov without the "N" sound in there. It irks me when I hear some lein in the Torah and trying to be מדייק to say it without the n sound.

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Re: EY website now in Hebrew
« Reply #25 on: October 18, 2020, 11:47:35 PM »
הע קע :P    Hong Kong
Oh now I got ya..

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Re: EY website now in Hebrew
« Reply #26 on: October 19, 2020, 12:06:46 AM »
So it is Haifa - היפה, Holon - הולון and Hebron - הברון?

Regardless of how it sounds to you (have you never heard yemenites who actually have a better differentiation of various Hebrew consonants, so an א can be distinguished from an ע, and a ח from a כ. And some sefardi pronunciations that have a clear distinction between a ט and a ת?) it would simply be laughable to write it with a ה.
Yes, I get what you are saying.

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Re: EY website now in Hebrew
« Reply #27 on: October 19, 2020, 12:38:46 AM »
Ready?

The Arabic "h" in Etihad is a voiceless pharyngeal fricative.  That means that the sides in the vocal apparatus (throat) approximate one another (but do not touch) and the vocal cords are not vibrating to make a sound.  The original Hebrew  "ע" (which is still retained by many Sephardim) is a voiced pharyngeal fricative.  It is made in the same location in the throat and in the same manner as the Arabic "h", except that the vocal cords are vibrating so a sound is emitted.  If you rest your fingers on your Adam's apple you can feel the difference between a "k" (voiceless) and a "g" (voiced).  The same difference between the Arabic "h" and the Hebrew "ע". 


The English "h" is a voiceless glottal fricative.  The approximating parts of the vocal apparatus is further down, between the vocal cords. 

The original Hebrew "ח" was a voiceless pharyngeal fricative like the Arabic "h"  and the Yemenites still use it, but most Sephardic dialects have been influenced by the hosting country's language and the vocal apparatus constrictions have moved more forward to the uvular location or even more forward than that to the velar location (like today's modern Israeli Hebrew "ח"). 

To summaraize:
Velar--Uvular--Pharyngeal--Glottal   =  Modern Hebrew "ח"--Sephardic Hebrew "ח"--Yemenite "ח" (and Arabic "h")--English "h"
The Arabic "h" in 'Etihad' is closer to the English "h" than the Mםdern Hebrew "ח", but since Modern Hebrew does not use an "h" sound for its "ה" anymore, the closest sound in Hebrew to the Arabic "h" would, indeed, be the "ח".

Bottom Line:  English and Hebrew speakers are both spelling and pronouncing Etihad's name the best they can for their language.

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Re: EY website now in Hebrew
« Reply #28 on: October 19, 2020, 01:28:35 AM »
Yes, Dan, in response to your DDMS Sunday Roundup comment, the closest voiceless fricative that Spanish has to the Arabic "h" would be the Spanish jota  "j". That means that Etihad should, indeed, be spelled Etijad for Spanish speakers.  You think they will take you up on your suggestion?  :)

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Re: EY website now in Hebrew
« Reply #29 on: October 19, 2020, 01:55:27 AM »
Lol. Pretty close :)
It's the ע in the name יעקב that didn't change over the past four millennia. Although in American-Litvish they killed it by saying Yaakov without the "N" sound in there. It irks me when I hear some lein in the Torah and trying to be מדייק to say it without the n sound.

I was going to respond with the following, but just couldn't resist to put עלידזשעלי in there. And now to the authentic Ashkenazic ע:

https://youtu.be/Gv0iSUtqI8A?t=1640
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Re: EY website now in Hebrew
« Reply #30 on: October 19, 2020, 02:06:49 AM »
Back to aviation, if I may  :)