Moving Violation Tickets

[shapsam]

I have a friend who got issued a violation for this in NJ on his NY license

What's if the car is not registered on your name but you're on the insurance (in NJ), are you still in violation of this law if you have a NY license?

[shmielyosef]

What's if the car is not registered on your name but you're on the insurance (in NJ), are you still in violation of this law if you have a NY license?

I don't know. But probably not, since IIRC the violation was for driving without being licensed since the cop knew he lived in NJ

[Moe Ginsburg]

If an American living in the States also has a foreign license (i.e. Israel, U.K., etc.), if pulled over would giving the officer the foreign license instead of the U.S. license avoid points? Be illegal or cause legal problems? Would the officer have any way of knowing that the driver lives in the U.S. (assuming he doesn't tell him)?

[Naftuli19]

If an American living in the States also has a foreign license (i.e. Israel, U.K., etc.), if pulled over would giving the officer the foreign license instead of the U.S. license avoid points? Be illegal or cause legal problems? Would the officer have any way of knowing that the driver lives in the U.S. (assuming he doesn't tell him)?

they can check ur name thru the system

[Moe Ginsburg]

they can check ur name thru the system

Some names are very common with many people sharing the same first and last name.

[WAM]

If an American living in the States also has a foreign license (i.e. Israel, U.K., etc.), if pulled over would giving the officer the foreign license instead of the U.S. license avoid points? Be illegal or cause legal problems? Would the officer have any way of knowing that the driver lives in the U.S. (assuming he doesn't tell him)?

A friend of mine 😉 got pulled over in CT. Gave the cop his Teudat Zehut (Israeli ID card) which is mostly in Hebrew. The cop asked for his name and DOB - and let's just say the cop was given the correct information with minor typos. Of course, the cop didn't find him in the system. When the cop asked why he doesn't have his passport, he told the cop that he wanted to keep it in a safe place.
He was issued a ticket which he never paid.v the address he gave the cop wasn't his own, but rather somebody he new.
Eventually after not paying the ticket, his driving privileges in CT were revoked.

Of course the name and dob is incorrect so that won't make any difference.

[Moe Ginsburg]

A friend of mine 😉 got pulled over in CT. Gave the cop his Teudat Zehut (Israeli ID card) which is mostly in Hebrew. The cop asked for his name and DOB - and let's just say the cop was given the correct information with minor typos. Of course, the cop didn't find him in the system. When the cop asked why he doesn't have his passport, he told the cop that he wanted to keep it in a safe place.
He was issued a ticket which he never paid.v the address he gave the cop wasn't his own, but rather somebody he new.
Eventually after not paying the ticket, his driving privileges in CT were revoked.

Of course the name and dob is incorrect so that won't make any difference.

IMO, he should've paid it so that it doesn't get extra scrutiny later when it remains unpaid. But how did he find out that driving privileges were suspended due to non-payment (given that he provided incorrect information)?

I assume there's some risk of more serious issues if the police somehow determine he gave incorrect information (such as DOB). You could still likely cause a mismatch by using a legitimate short/religious/nickname for the first name even if providing an accurate DOB.

[lunatic]

Need some advice. I got a ticket for making a right turn when there was apparently a sign that said no right turns during certain hours. While he had me pulled over, he grabbed another 6 cars that did the same thing, some of them taxis. Any point to going to court and arguing that the sign was obviously not placed properly if 7 of us made the same turn in the span of 5 minutes? As an aside, the copy of the ticket that he gave me has such light writing that I honestly cannot make out even one word... Not sure if that is an argument

[Naftuli19]

A friend of mine 😉 got pulled over in CT. Gave the cop his Teudat Zehut (Israeli ID card) which is mostly in Hebrew. The cop asked for his name and DOB - and let's just say the cop was given the correct information with minor typos. Of course, the cop didn't find him in the system. When the cop asked why he doesn't have his passport, he told the cop that he wanted to keep it in a safe place.
He was issued a ticket which he never paid.v the address he gave the cop wasn't his own, but rather somebody he new.
Eventually after not paying the ticket, his driving privileges in CT were revoked.

Of course the name and dob is incorrect so that won't make any difference.

Ye and a friend of mine was arrested for lying to cops with wrong info,

[Naftuli19]

Need some advice. I got a ticket for making a right turn when there was apparently a sign that said no right turns during certain hours. While he had me pulled over, he grabbed another 6 cars that did the same thing, some of them taxis. Any point to going to court and arguing that the sign was obviously not placed properly if 7 of us made the same turn in the span of 5 minutes? As an aside, the copy of the ticket that he gave me has such light writing that I honestly cannot make out even one word... Not sure if that is an argument

they have a copy in the system so that wont work, did u check the sign after u were pulled to see what it says?

[Yonah]

Need some advice. I got a ticket for making a right turn when there was apparently a sign that said no right turns during certain hours. While he had me pulled over, he grabbed another 6 cars that did the same thing, some of them taxis. Any point to going to court and arguing that the sign was obviously not placed properly if 7 of us made the same turn in the span of 5 minutes? As an aside, the copy of the ticket that he gave me has such light writing that I honestly cannot make out even one word... Not sure if that is an argument

I am not a lawyer

Obviously if you decide to go that route, you will need pictures to document where the sign is relative to the intersection, and how hard it was for you to be able to see it. FWIW - my dad (A"H) once got a ticket in Jersey City for making an illegal turn. The sign was literally hanging from the traffic light pole and flapping around on a windy day. My dad brought pics of the sign, and a weather report for that day, but I don't believe they gave him much of a break.

While not universal, I've found that sometimes police/DAs will allow you to plea to a lesser fine and not get points. Which in NY/NJ can get very expensive very quickly.

[Moe Ginsburg]

About what percent of moving violations in NYC are found not guilty if you use a decent lawyer?

[Naftuli19]

About what percent of moving violations in NYC are found not guilty if you use a decent lawyer?

I'd say none

[lunatic]

I am not a lawyer

Obviously if you decide to go that route, you will need pictures to document where the sign is relative to the intersection, and how hard it was for you to be able to see it. FWIW - my dad (A"H) once got a ticket in Jersey City for making an illegal turn. The sign was literally hanging from the traffic light pole and flapping around on a windy day. My dad brought pics of the sign, and a weather report for that day, but I don't believe they gave him much of a break.

While not universal, I've found that sometimes police/DAs will allow you to plea to a lesser fine and not get points. Which in NY/NJ can get very expensive very quickly.

Thanks. I have an non-NY license, so not concerned about points. I dont want to pay a silly fine

[Moe Ginsburg]

I'd say none

You're saying paying a NYC lawyer $250 to fight a moving violation is a waste of money?

[Naftuli19]

You're saying paying a NYC lawyer $250 to fight a moving violation is a waste of money?

all they do is push it off and hope that the cop dosnt show up which usually never happens in NYC (NYPD cops are really board) or for 18m and then they plea guilty and u pay the fine. i never heard of anyone that received a plea in NYC

[Yonah]

With my limited experience (5 moving violations tix in 20+ years of driving) I can safely say that NYC was the one place where there was no plea deal offered pre-trial - in any form. Thankfully the judge was sympathetic, and dismissed my case - here are the details:

Long story shot, my dad had a heart condition, and was scheduled to have surgery. Two days before the surgery, his heart acted up and he was taken to the ER. I was his health care proxy, and wanted to make sure I was there in person if any decisions needed to be made, as well as to make sure he was transferred to the hospital where the surgery was to take place. I got in my car and started driving. I was clocked at 80+ in a50mph zone in NYC. When I was pulled over, I explained the situation to the police officer in a very calm manner. He went back to his car,  wrote me a ticket with 6 points (2 points for every 10mph over the limit), and told me that he was sorry for the situation, but if I explained it to the judge with documentation, that the judge would take it under consideration.

Fast forward about 1.5 years - when I finally got my court date. I went to the judge with the following documents: An ER Admission letter, a letter from my Dad's doctor listing the surgery date and that he was admitted to the ER on the date of the violation and was transferred for the surgery. I also had a copy of my health care proxy letter, and my dad's Death Certificate as well (although the surgery was successful, he died a month later due to an adverse reaction to his medication). I explained my case to the judge, including my conversation with the officer, and here was my documentation.

The judge then turns to the officer, and asks " - do you recall if he told you that he was on the way to the hospital." To which the officer replied " No". I was livid, I used every ounce of my self-control to not completely go ballistic. The judge asked me what I had to say about this, I calmed down, and responded - " Your honor, with all due respect to Officer ____, he is a traffic officer, and stops dozens of other individuals for speeding on a daily basis, so I can only imagine that he'd forgotten the details of a case with a person he had pulled over 15 months ago. I don't get pulled over, and it was one of the worst days of my life - I know exactly what happened. I remember the conversation vividly, which is exactly why I brought this documentation with me today." He then questioned, why I, as a health care proxy, would need to be there if my dad was already in the ER. As the line of questions continued, I became more emotional, having to re-hash my dad's illness and eventual death. I am not sure what exactly did it, but I think ultimately he realized the sincerity, and dismissed the case.

[Naftuli19]

With my limited experience (5 moving violations tix in 20+ years of driving) I can safely say that NYC was the one place where there was no plea deal offered pre-trial - in any form. Thankfully the judge was sympathetic, and dismissed my case - here are the details:

Long story shot, my dad had a heart condition, and was scheduled to have surgery. Two days before the surgery, his heart acted up and he was taken to the ER. I was his health care proxy, and wanted to make sure I was there in person if any decisions needed to be made, as well as to make sure he was transferred to the hospital where the surgery was to take place. I got in my car and started driving. I was clocked at 80+ in a50mph zone in NYC. When I was pulled over, I explained the situation to the police officer in a very calm manner. He went back to his car,  wrote me a ticket with 6 points (2 points for every 10mph over the limit), and told me that he was sorry for the situation, but if I explained it to the judge with documentation, that the judge would take it under consideration.

Fast forward about 1.5 years - when I finally got my court date. I went to the judge with the following documents: An ER Admission letter, a letter from my Dad's doctor listing the surgery date and that he was admitted to the ER on the date of the violation and was transferred for the surgery. I also had a copy of my health care proxy letter, and my dad's Death Certificate as well (although the surgery was successful, he died a month later due to an adverse reaction to his medication). I explained my case to the judge, including my conversation with the officer, and here was my documentation.

The judge then turns to the officer, and asks " - do you recall if he told you that he was on the way to the hospital." To which the officer replied " No". I was livid, I used every ounce of my self-control to not completely go ballistic. The judge asked me what I had to say about this, I calmed down, and responded - " Your honor, with all due respect to Officer ____, he is a traffic officer, and stops dozens of other individuals for speeding on a daily basis, so I can only imagine that he'd forgotten the details of a case with a person he had pulled over 15 months ago. I don't get pulled over, and it was one of the worst days of my life - I know exactly what happened. I remember the conversation vividly, which is exactly why I brought this documentation with me today." He then questioned, why I, as a health care proxy, would need to be there if my dad was already in the ER. As the line of questions continued, I became more emotional, having to re-hash my dad's illness and eventual death. I am not sure what exactly did it, but I think ultimately he realized the sincerity, and dismissed the case.

wow! gave me chills reading it sorry for your loss...

[ExGingi]

all they do is push it off and hope that the cop dosnt show up which usually never happens in NYC (NYPD cops are really board) or for 18m and then they plea guilty and u pay the fine. i never heard of anyone that received a plea in NYC

+1, though the strategy is generally to push it off so much, so that by the time one is found guilty, the points are ready to fall off almost as soon as they appear (they aren't there until one is found guilty).

[shapsam]

Thanks. I have an non-NY license, so not concerned about points. I dont want to pay a silly fine

Depending on which state, the points can transfer to your license.