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This thread discusses speeding tickets and traffic tickets in the state of New York. For parking tickets go here http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=15090.0 or here http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=23665.msg1088489. For moving violations outside of New York, please start a new thread and add a link here.

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Please read this wiki first. I am not an attorney and this is not legal advice.

Q: Can I get a plea bargain in New York City?
A: No. Every single ticket goes to trial, guilty or not guilty, in New York City. (The 5 boroughs of NY, Kings, Queens, Bronx and Richmond.)

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Q: How long does it take for points to fall off your New York State record/license/abstract?
A: For DMV persistent violation purposes 18 months from the date of offense regardless of the date of conviction. At 3 years after the date of conviction on the following January first the points are no longer visible on the driving record which insurance companies and traffic prosecutors look at. DMV always keeps a record of your conviction and if you get too many points over your lifetime you could get a "10 year" revocation, however those records are not visible to insurance companies.

Q: Does it pay to fight my NY ticket or should I just pay it?
A: In order to figure the true cost of a traffic ticket conviction (aside from figuring out the total fines and the effects on your record) you need to call up your insurance company and ask them 2 questions. 1. How much will my insurance go up over the next 4 years if I pay this ticket? 2. How much money in "good driver discounts" will I loss over the next 4 years and how much does this add up to?

The reason you need to ask these 2 questions separately is because the insurance companies "shield themselves" from the statutory requirement to not raise insurance rates for a first violation (or speeds up to 15 MPH) by granting "good driver discounts", and then taking away these good driver discounts when you get your first violation. Therefore the (technically) correct answer to the first question you ask them could be "your insurance will not be raised at all". Then when you ask them the second question the answer may be in the thousands of dollars over the next 4 years, depending on your insurance bracket.

Q: How can I find my New York ticket online? 
A: If it is New York City ticket you can find it at https://transact.dmv.ny.gov/pleadnpay if you received a ticket anywhere outside of NYC and anywhere upstate you must contact the individual Court by phone or mail. There is no way to find your ticket online. Google is not able to find most small Courts as it get confused with giving you the most popular courts and attorneys, therefore I suggest you look up your Court at at www.town-court.com.

Q: How can I get a copy of my NYS driving record/license/abstract?
A: You can buy it at the statutory minimum of $7 at https://my.dmv.ny.gov/crm

Q: Do NJ tickets show up on a regular non CDL NY license?
A: As long as you pay them, no they will not.

Q: Do NY tickets show up on NJ licenses?
A: Yes as a 2 point out of state conviction (most violations).

Q: Do NJ tickets show up on a NY license?
A: As long as you pay them, no. Exceptions 1. if you have a CDL the NJ conviction will record on your NY license. 2. DUI/DWI and criminal driving convictions from NJ do record on your NY license. 3. as stated above if you don't respond to the ticket the suspension will follow you to NY. In addition NJ issues warrants for failing to respond to traffic tickets. 4 If you are convicted of a high speed (90+ MPH, 100+ MPH) in NJ the Judge may suspend your NJ driving privileges. 

Q: Can I pay Court fines with a CC?
A: In NYC for moving violations you can use https://transact.dmv.ny.gov/pleadnpay. For NYC parking tickets you can use http://www.nyc.gov/html/dof/html/parking/parking.shtml. As far as "upstate" Courts go, most Courts will allow you to pay with visa or mastercard in person. Many Courts have a CC sheet which you can fill in and mail back, other Courts have a third party processor such as https://www.ncourt.com to accept cc payments. Call the Court to find out what options they have. No one (so far that I have seen) will take CCs over the phone.

Q: I received a camera ticket for a red light (3 points) or speeding (3-11 points) or a bus lane violation (2 points). Do traffic tickets issued from a camera add points to my license?
A: Camera Tickets never go on your license as they are issued against the car and not the driver. Therefor a camera ticket will not add points to your license or increase your insurance.

Q: If I push a ticket off for 18 months and then I am convicted, can I still be suspended by the DMV for having more than 11 points?
A: Pushing off a ticket will not help protect you from DMV actions. The reason is as follows: if you receive 2 tickets worth 6 points each on the same day, and you plead guilty to one of them on that same day and you push the second ticket off for 5 years, and then you plead guilty to that second ticket, the DMV computer will look at the 2 dates of violation and say "the motorist accumulated (more than) 11 points within an 18 month period" and issue a persistent violator suspension against you license.

Insurance companies work the other way around. They can only raise your premium after your date of conviction. Therefore in our example the insurance companies will increase your insurance after the first conviction appears on your record when they renew your policy (which will stay on your record for 3 years and then until the next January 1st) and then they will increase your rates again after the second ticket conviction shows up on your record when they renew your policy, (once again this second ticket will stay on the record for  3 years plus until the next January first. It follows that pleading/being found guilty in December saves 11 months of policy increase, and if there is a way to lock in a one year policy right before a conviction in December you can be looking at a car increase for only 2 years and 1 day, instead of 4 years minus one day.)

Travelers Insurance offers 1 year rates.
Geico is 6 months.

Traffic Ticket Lawyers:

State
New York Attorney Matisyahu Wolfberg http://www.speedingdefense.com/
New York Attorney Zev Goldstein www.zevgoldsteinlaw.com 845-356-7770
New Jersey Attorney Adam H. Rosenblum www.ticketdefenselaw.com
New Jersey Attorney Leib Klein www.avvo.com/attorneys/08701-nj-leib-klein-1602182.html 732-987-7040

Great Upstate NY lawyer at very cheap prices. http://jaydrillings.net/

Not that many parking ticket lawyers!
Parking ticket Non Lawyer (NYC)
Cathy Mei She takes 50% to fight the parking or camera ticket
Office Number 212-349-4978
Email 329ticket@gmail.com
Fax 646-699-3630

Parking Expert non attorney (718) 384-5052

Non attorney runner http://www.myticketsnyc.com/

Non attorney runner http://www.wefighttickets.com/

10 Counties in upstate NY have diversion programs, allowing you to dismiss the ticket for a fine and defensive driving class. Conditions and restrictions apply. Check the District Attorney's website for your county: Allegany, Broome, Cayuga, Chenango, Franklin, Livingston, Orleans, Otsego, Tioga, and Wyoming.

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Re: Moving Violation Tickets
« Reply #3405 on: April 05, 2019, 01:45:44 AM »
If an American living in the States also has a foreign license (i.e. Israel, U.K., etc.), if pulled over would giving the officer the foreign license instead of the U.S. license avoid points? Be illegal or cause legal problems? Would the officer have any way of knowing that the driver lives in the U.S. (assuming he doesn't tell him)?

A friend of mine 😉 got pulled over in CT. Gave the cop his Teudat Zehut (Israeli ID card) which is mostly in Hebrew. The cop asked for his name and DOB - and let's just say the cop was given the correct information with minor typos. Of course, the cop didn't find him in the system. When the cop asked why he doesn't have his passport, he told the cop that he wanted to keep it in a safe place.
He was issued a ticket which he never paid.v the address he gave the cop wasn't his own, but rather somebody he new.
Eventually after not paying the ticket, his driving privileges in CT were revoked.

Of course the name and dob is incorrect so that won't make any difference.

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Re: Moving Violation Tickets
« Reply #3406 on: April 05, 2019, 10:19:14 AM »
A friend of mine 😉 got pulled over in CT. Gave the cop his Teudat Zehut (Israeli ID card) which is mostly in Hebrew. The cop asked for his name and DOB - and let's just say the cop was given the correct information with minor typos. Of course, the cop didn't find him in the system. When the cop asked why he doesn't have his passport, he told the cop that he wanted to keep it in a safe place.
He was issued a ticket which he never paid.v the address he gave the cop wasn't his own, but rather somebody he new.
Eventually after not paying the ticket, his driving privileges in CT were revoked.

Of course the name and dob is incorrect so that won't make any difference.

IMO, he should've paid it so that it doesn't get extra scrutiny later when it remains unpaid. But how did he find out that driving privileges were suspended due to non-payment (given that he provided incorrect information)?

I assume there's some risk of more serious issues if the police somehow determine he gave incorrect information (such as DOB). You could still likely cause a mismatch by using a legitimate short/religious/nickname for the first name even if providing an accurate DOB.

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Re: Moving Violation Tickets
« Reply #3407 on: April 05, 2019, 10:27:48 AM »
Need some advice. I got a ticket for making a right turn when there was apparently a sign that said no right turns during certain hours. While he had me pulled over, he grabbed another 6 cars that did the same thing, some of them taxis. Any point to going to court and arguing that the sign was obviously not placed properly if 7 of us made the same turn in the span of 5 minutes? As an aside, the copy of the ticket that he gave me has such light writing that I honestly cannot make out even one word... Not sure if that is an argument

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Re: Moving Violation Tickets
« Reply #3408 on: April 05, 2019, 10:33:09 AM »
A friend of mine 😉 got pulled over in CT. Gave the cop his Teudat Zehut (Israeli ID card) which is mostly in Hebrew. The cop asked for his name and DOB - and let's just say the cop was given the correct information with minor typos. Of course, the cop didn't find him in the system. When the cop asked why he doesn't have his passport, he told the cop that he wanted to keep it in a safe place.
He was issued a ticket which he never paid.v the address he gave the cop wasn't his own, but rather somebody he new.
Eventually after not paying the ticket, his driving privileges in CT were revoked.

Of course the name and dob is incorrect so that won't make any difference.
Ye and a friend of mine was arrested for lying to cops with wrong info,
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Re: Moving Violation Tickets
« Reply #3409 on: April 05, 2019, 10:34:47 AM »
Need some advice. I got a ticket for making a right turn when there was apparently a sign that said no right turns during certain hours. While he had me pulled over, he grabbed another 6 cars that did the same thing, some of them taxis. Any point to going to court and arguing that the sign was obviously not placed properly if 7 of us made the same turn in the span of 5 minutes? As an aside, the copy of the ticket that he gave me has such light writing that I honestly cannot make out even one word... Not sure if that is an argument
they have a copy in the system so that wont work, did u check the sign after u were pulled to see what it says?
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Re: Moving Violation Tickets
« Reply #3410 on: April 08, 2019, 12:55:37 PM »
Need some advice. I got a ticket for making a right turn when there was apparently a sign that said no right turns during certain hours. While he had me pulled over, he grabbed another 6 cars that did the same thing, some of them taxis. Any point to going to court and arguing that the sign was obviously not placed properly if 7 of us made the same turn in the span of 5 minutes? As an aside, the copy of the ticket that he gave me has such light writing that I honestly cannot make out even one word... Not sure if that is an argument

I am not a lawyer

Obviously if you decide to go that route, you will need pictures to document where the sign is relative to the intersection, and how hard it was for you to be able to see it. FWIW - my dad (A"H) once got a ticket in Jersey City for making an illegal turn. The sign was literally hanging from the traffic light pole and flapping around on a windy day. My dad brought pics of the sign, and a weather report for that day, but I don't believe they gave him much of a break.

While not universal, I've found that sometimes police/DAs will allow you to plea to a lesser fine and not get points. Which in NY/NJ can get very expensive very quickly.

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Re: Moving Violation Tickets
« Reply #3411 on: April 08, 2019, 01:23:27 PM »
About what percent of moving violations in NYC are found not guilty if you use a decent lawyer?

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Re: Moving Violation Tickets
« Reply #3412 on: April 08, 2019, 01:31:22 PM »
About what percent of moving violations in NYC are found not guilty if you use a decent lawyer?
I'd say none >:(
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Re: Moving Violation Tickets
« Reply #3413 on: April 08, 2019, 01:55:46 PM »
I am not a lawyer

Obviously if you decide to go that route, you will need pictures to document where the sign is relative to the intersection, and how hard it was for you to be able to see it. FWIW - my dad (A"H) once got a ticket in Jersey City for making an illegal turn. The sign was literally hanging from the traffic light pole and flapping around on a windy day. My dad brought pics of the sign, and a weather report for that day, but I don't believe they gave him much of a break.

While not universal, I've found that sometimes police/DAs will allow you to plea to a lesser fine and not get points. Which in NY/NJ can get very expensive very quickly.

Thanks. I have an non-NY license, so not concerned about points. I dont want to pay a silly fine

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Re: Moving Violation Tickets
« Reply #3414 on: April 08, 2019, 01:57:51 PM »
I'd say none >:(

You're saying paying a NYC lawyer $250 to fight a moving violation is a waste of money?

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Re: Moving Violation Tickets
« Reply #3415 on: April 08, 2019, 02:01:28 PM »
You're saying paying a NYC lawyer $250 to fight a moving violation is a waste of money?
all they do is push it off and hope that the cop dosnt show up which usually never happens in NYC (NYPD cops are really board) or for 18m and then they plea guilty and u pay the fine. i never heard of anyone that received a plea in NYC
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Re: Moving Violation Tickets
« Reply #3416 on: April 08, 2019, 03:42:01 PM »
With my limited experience (5 moving violations tix in 20+ years of driving) I can safely say that NYC was the one place where there was no plea deal offered pre-trial - in any form. Thankfully the judge was sympathetic, and dismissed my case - here are the details:

Long story shot, my dad had a heart condition, and was scheduled to have surgery. Two days before the surgery, his heart acted up and he was taken to the ER. I was his health care proxy, and wanted to make sure I was there in person if any decisions needed to be made, as well as to make sure he was transferred to the hospital where the surgery was to take place. I got in my car and started driving. I was clocked at 80+ in a50mph zone in NYC. When I was pulled over, I explained the situation to the police officer in a very calm manner. He went back to his car,  wrote me a ticket with 6 points (2 points for every 10mph over the limit), and told me that he was sorry for the situation, but if I explained it to the judge with documentation, that the judge would take it under consideration.

Fast forward about 1.5 years - when I finally got my court date. I went to the judge with the following documents: An ER Admission letter, a letter from my Dad's doctor listing the surgery date and that he was admitted to the ER on the date of the violation and was transferred for the surgery. I also had a copy of my health care proxy letter, and my dad's Death Certificate as well (although the surgery was successful, he died a month later due to an adverse reaction to his medication). I explained my case to the judge, including my conversation with the officer, and here was my documentation.

The judge then turns to the officer, and asks " - do you recall if he told you that he was on the way to the hospital." To which the officer replied " No". I was livid, I used every ounce of my self-control to not completely go ballistic. The judge asked me what I had to say about this, I calmed down, and responded - " Your honor, with all due respect to Officer ____, he is a traffic officer, and stops dozens of other individuals for speeding on a daily basis, so I can only imagine that he'd forgotten the details of a case with a person he had pulled over 15 months ago. I don't get pulled over, and it was one of the worst days of my life - I know exactly what happened. I remember the conversation vividly, which is exactly why I brought this documentation with me today." He then questioned, why I, as a health care proxy, would need to be there if my dad was already in the ER. As the line of questions continued, I became more emotional, having to re-hash my dad's illness and eventual death. I am not sure what exactly did it, but I think ultimately he realized the sincerity, and dismissed the case.



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Re: Moving Violation Tickets
« Reply #3417 on: April 08, 2019, 03:59:15 PM »
With my limited experience (5 moving violations tix in 20+ years of driving) I can safely say that NYC was the one place where there was no plea deal offered pre-trial - in any form. Thankfully the judge was sympathetic, and dismissed my case - here are the details:

Long story shot, my dad had a heart condition, and was scheduled to have surgery. Two days before the surgery, his heart acted up and he was taken to the ER. I was his health care proxy, and wanted to make sure I was there in person if any decisions needed to be made, as well as to make sure he was transferred to the hospital where the surgery was to take place. I got in my car and started driving. I was clocked at 80+ in a50mph zone in NYC. When I was pulled over, I explained the situation to the police officer in a very calm manner. He went back to his car,  wrote me a ticket with 6 points (2 points for every 10mph over the limit), and told me that he was sorry for the situation, but if I explained it to the judge with documentation, that the judge would take it under consideration.

Fast forward about 1.5 years - when I finally got my court date. I went to the judge with the following documents: An ER Admission letter, a letter from my Dad's doctor listing the surgery date and that he was admitted to the ER on the date of the violation and was transferred for the surgery. I also had a copy of my health care proxy letter, and my dad's Death Certificate as well (although the surgery was successful, he died a month later due to an adverse reaction to his medication). I explained my case to the judge, including my conversation with the officer, and here was my documentation.

The judge then turns to the officer, and asks " - do you recall if he told you that he was on the way to the hospital." To which the officer replied " No". I was livid, I used every ounce of my self-control to not completely go ballistic. The judge asked me what I had to say about this, I calmed down, and responded - " Your honor, with all due respect to Officer ____, he is a traffic officer, and stops dozens of other individuals for speeding on a daily basis, so I can only imagine that he'd forgotten the details of a case with a person he had pulled over 15 months ago. I don't get pulled over, and it was one of the worst days of my life - I know exactly what happened. I remember the conversation vividly, which is exactly why I brought this documentation with me today." He then questioned, why I, as a health care proxy, would need to be there if my dad was already in the ER. As the line of questions continued, I became more emotional, having to re-hash my dad's illness and eventual death. I am not sure what exactly did it, but I think ultimately he realized the sincerity, and dismissed the case.
wow! gave me chills reading it sorry for your loss...

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Re: Moving Violation Tickets
« Reply #3418 on: April 08, 2019, 04:04:39 PM »
all they do is push it off and hope that the cop dosnt show up which usually never happens in NYC (NYPD cops are really board) or for 18m and then they plea guilty and u pay the fine. i never heard of anyone that received a plea in NYC

+1, though the strategy is generally to push it off so much, so that by the time one is found guilty, the points are ready to fall off almost as soon as they appear (they aren't there until one is found guilty).
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Re: Moving Violation Tickets
« Reply #3419 on: April 08, 2019, 04:11:25 PM »
Thanks. I have an non-NY license, so not concerned about points. I dont want to pay a silly fine
Depending on which state, the points can transfer to your license.