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Re: Trump 2024
« Reply #300 on: February 25, 2021, 08:41:12 AM »
To be fair, Republicans later did it for Supreme Court nominations. Yes, they didn't set the precedent, and it was the Dems who waded into this territory, but it's not like PG just pulled a random fact out of his hat...
It undermines the entire argument
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Trump 2024
« Reply #301 on: February 25, 2021, 09:00:31 AM »
Amazing analysis of made up facts.
more like cherry picking the facts to fit the narrative

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Re: Trump 2024
« Reply #302 on: February 25, 2021, 09:31:17 AM »
He never deserved a chance.
Let me get this straight, it's all Trumps fault because the Ds did everything in their power to stonewall him and wouldn't give him a chance?
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Re: Trump 2024
« Reply #303 on: February 25, 2021, 01:20:57 PM »
Let me get this straight, it's all Trumps fault because the Ds did everything in their power to stonewall him and wouldn't give him a chance?
Of course. He started it. He literally ran to office chanting 'Lock Her Up'
FTFY. (Though they never had the need to do it for SCOTUS nominations)

It is fascinating to see how often you get basic facts wrong, and always in a way that supports your views. Is it your incorrect knowledge that leads you to your views, or your views that leads you to assume that the facts must be a certain way?

Republicans did it for SCOTUS judge nominations. No basic facts wrong, just you trying to manipulate reality.

Amazing analysis of made up facts.

aka facts you don't like
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Re: Trump 2024
« Reply #304 on: February 25, 2021, 01:31:19 PM »
Of course. He started it. He literally ran to office chanting 'Lock Her Up'
Republicans did it for SCOTUS judge nominations. No basic facts wrong, just you trying to manipulate reality.
aka facts you don't like
Correct, they are made up facts that I don't like. Even if you will twist it to be only a misleading statement that when you wrote
judge nominations
it was referring to SCOTUS only, it is still cherry-picked data considering that killing the filibuster for regular federal
judge nominations
was done by the Dems. This also somewhat undermines your whole
Obama clamored for acceptance and bipartisanship
thing.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Trump 2024
« Reply #305 on: February 25, 2021, 02:01:21 PM »
Artificial performative grievances aside,
this also somewhat undermines your whole thing.
It actually illustrates my point. Before nuking the filibuster, Obama initially nominated Patricia Millett, who worked for Republican admin. She was specifically chosen as a concession to Republicans (she was assistant US solicitor general under Bush) because Obama preferred bipartisanship and acceptance than his own agenda. The Democrats tried again with Nina Pillard & then again with Robert Wilkins, and only when all 3 were filibustered did it become evident the Republicans would obstruct no matter what and it was impossible to reach a compromise.

On the other hand, Trump went far right and nominated Gorsuch without any pretense of bipartisanship and unity, and then Republicans just nuked the filibuster to push their partisan agenda.

The smart thing for democrats now would be to stop entertaining the filibuster and political norms the other side doesn't respect and few Americans know about, and do everything in their power to push measures like minimum wage and radical healthcare reform that a vast majority of the country is interested. Biden seems to be on that track but Sinema and Manchin are playing hard to get.


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Re: Trump 2024
« Reply #306 on: February 25, 2021, 02:48:27 PM »
Of course. He started it. He literally ran to office chanting 'Lock Her Up'
Trump said mean things and therefore doesn't deserve a chance to do anything, but then coming out and calling for unity (but not with Trump supporters) is extremely tone deaf at a minimum.

Artificial performative grievances aside, It actually illustrates my point. Before nuking the filibuster, Obama initially nominated Patricia Millett, who worked for Republican admin. She was specifically chosen as a concession to Republicans (she was assistant US solicitor general under Bush) because Obama preferred bipartisanship and acceptance than his own agenda. The Democrats tried again with Nina Pillard & then again with Robert Wilkins, and only when all 3 were filibustered did it become evident the Republicans would obstruct no matter what and it was impossible to reach a compromise.

On the other hand, Trump went far right and nominated Gorsuch without any pretense of bipartisanship and unity, and then Republicans just nuked the filibuster to push their partisan agenda.

The smart thing for democrats now would be to stop entertaining the filibuster and political norms the other side doesn't respect and few Americans know about, and do everything in their power to push measures like minimum wage and radical healthcare reform that a vast majority of the country is interested. Biden seems to be on that track but Sinema and Manchin are playing hard to get.
You can have all kinds of excuses, the fact remains that the Ds were the first to remove the filibuster for judicial nominations. Any excuse trying to differentiate regular judicial nominations and SC nominations is just that - an excuse, and a lame one at it. If the Ds want to get rid of all political norms, they better not complain when the Rs use the new rules to their advantage.
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Re: Trump 2024
« Reply #307 on: February 25, 2021, 02:56:01 PM »
Artificial performative grievances aside, It actually illustrates my point. Before nuking the filibuster, Obama initially nominated Patricia Millett, who worked for Republican admin. She was specifically chosen as a concession to Republicans (she was assistant US solicitor general under Bush) because Obama preferred bipartisanship and acceptance than his own agenda. The Democrats tried again with Nina Pillard & then again with Robert Wilkins, and only when all 3 were filibustered did it become evident the Republicans would obstruct no matter what and it was impossible to reach a compromise.

On the other hand, Trump went far right and nominated Gorsuch without any pretense of bipartisanship and unity, and then Republicans just nuked the filibuster to push their partisan agenda.

The smart thing for democrats now would be to stop entertaining the filibuster and political norms the other side doesn't respect and few Americans know about, and do everything in their power to push measures like minimum wage and radical healthcare reform that a vast majority of the country is interested. Biden seems to be on that track but Sinema and Manchin are playing hard to get.
Well vast majority according to the polls who are very accurate to make sure that their polls how they want them to be! The media want the people to believe that all cops are racist and thats why according to a poll over 35% think that over 1000k black unarmed were killed in 2019 but it was around 25! so yea your vast majority is a very strong majority!   

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Re: Trump 2024
« Reply #308 on: February 25, 2021, 02:57:18 PM »
Well vast majority according to the polls who are very accurate to make sure that their polls how they want them to be! The media want the people to believe that all cops are racist and thats why according to a poll over 35% think that over 1000k black unarmed were killed in 2020 but it was around 25! so yea your vast majority is a very strong majority!   
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Re: Trump 2024
« Reply #309 on: February 25, 2021, 02:58:35 PM »
Well vast majority according to the polls who are very accurate to make sure that their polls how they want them to be! The media want the people to believe that all cops are racist and thats why according to a poll over 35% think that over 1000k black unarmed were killed in 2020 but it was around 25! so yea your vast majority is a very strong majority!   
Someone's been listening to Ben Shapiro

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Re: Trump 2024
« Reply #310 on: February 25, 2021, 02:59:36 PM »
Someone's been listening to Ben Shapiro
Does that make it true or not?

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Re: Trump 2024
« Reply #311 on: February 25, 2021, 03:01:40 PM »
https://twitter.com/alisonr61423986/status/1364978421324013570

Someone's been listening to Ben Shapiro
BS takes reason and obfuscates it with rhetoric. It is the diametric opposite of intelligent debate and still infinitely better than this gibberish.

Does that make it true or not?
Nobody had any idea what it is you said.
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Re: Trump 2024
« Reply #312 on: February 25, 2021, 03:04:49 PM »
https://twitter.com/alisonr61423986/status/1364978421324013570
BS takes reason and obfuscates it with rhetoric. It is the diametric opposite of intelligent debate and still infinitely better than this gibberish.
Nobody had any idea what it is you said.
Again with your polls! Of course if that's what they want then that's what the polls will be not sure why you are so in to the polls

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Re: Trump 2024
« Reply #313 on: February 25, 2021, 03:06:29 PM »
https://twitter.com/alisonr61423986/status/1364978421324013570
BS takes reason and obfuscates it with rhetoric. It is the diametric opposite of intelligent debate and still infinitely better than this gibberish.
Nobody had any idea what it is you said.
People with TDS dont see or hear certain stuff its a symptom according to most polls by a 75-25 majority. 

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Re: Trump 2024
« Reply #314 on: February 25, 2021, 03:10:44 PM »
https://twitter.com/alisonr61423986/status/1364978421324013570
BS takes reason and obfuscates it with rhetoric. It is the diametric opposite of intelligent debate and still infinitely better than this gibberish.
Nobody had any idea what it is you said.
This has always been the democrats MO, bribe the people with "free money" and throw in all kinds of other garbage from the political wishlist. How many Republicans would support the bill without the stimulus checks? Half the bill has nothing to do with COVID.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Trump 2024
« Reply #315 on: February 25, 2021, 03:20:53 PM »
BS takes reason and obfuscates it with rhetoric. It is the diametric opposite of intelligent debate and still infinitely better than this gibberish.
This is one of the most irrefutable things he said.

The number of unarmed Black people killed by the cops in a year is fact, not conjecture. Fact: not more than 29 unarmed Black people were killed by police in 2019. FACT.

Polling shows that the majority of Liberal people polled thought that police killed a vast amount more, some thought it was as many as 10,000.

The group that answered most accurately were Conservatives.

Go ahead and refute this. Oh, but Ben Shapiro said it, so it must be just obfuscated.

ETA: Here's the data: https://www.skeptic.com/research-center/reports/Research-Report-CUPES-007.pdf
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Re: Trump 2024
« Reply #316 on: February 25, 2021, 03:37:58 PM »
This has always been the democrats MO, bribe the people with "free money" and throw in all kinds of other garbage from the political wishlist. How many Republicans would support the bill without the stimulus checks? Half the bill has nothing to do with COVID.
Half? I think less then 10% of the bill has to do with covid

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Re: Trump 2024
« Reply #317 on: February 25, 2021, 03:48:35 PM »
This has always been the democrats MO, bribe the people with "free money"
Did you forget the $2000 checks were Donald Trumps idea?
The number of unarmed Black people killed by the cops in a year is fact, not conjecture. Fact: not more than 29 unarmed Black people were killed by police in 2019. FACT.
...

Go ahead and refute this.
That's based on the WaPo database, which includes only people shot by police, not killed through other means like beating or tasering. The number of unarmed Black men fatally shot by police is likely higher than the Post's count due to a lack of comprehensive police records.

Overall, around 200/yr blacks are shot by police and 400/yr Whites. However, Blacks are under 15% of the population, so per capita Blacks are shot 3x more than Whites (of course most of the discrepancy is because there are more black criminals and not because of racist cops).

I could be wrong, but I don't think there is any data on how many of those 200/yr are armed, so the WaPo count is based only on those that are confirmed to be unarmed, and omits close to 200 of whom it isn't reported at all if they were armed or not.

Personally, I find it plausible half were unarmed. If you take 100 as the real number - 46% of conservatives thought it was less, but only 37% of liberals thought it was more.



https://www.statista.com/statistics/1123070/police-shootings-rate-ethnicity-us/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

And yet,
This is one of the most irrefutable things he said.
Imagine how absurd his average arguments are.
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Re: Trump 2024
« Reply #318 on: February 25, 2021, 03:50:01 PM »
Did you forget the $2000 checks were Donald Trumps idea? That's based on the WaPo database, which includes only people shot by police, not killed through other means like beating or tasering. The number of unarmed Black men fatally shot by police is likely higher than the Post's count due to a lack of comprehensive police records.

Overall, around 200/yr blacks are shot by police and 400/yr Whites. However, Blacks are under 15% of the population, so per capita Blacks are shot 3x more than Whites (of course most of the discrepancy is because there are more black criminals and not because of racist cops).

I could be wrong, but I don't think there is any data on how many of those 200/yr are armed, so the WaPo count is based only on those that are confirmed to be unarmed, and omits close to 200 of whom it isn't reported at all if they were armed or not.

Personally, I find it plausible half were unarmed. If you take 100 as the real number - 46% of conservatives thought it was less, but only 37% of liberals thought it was more.



https://www.statista.com/statistics/1123070/police-shootings-rate-ethnicity-us/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

And yet, Imagine how absurd his average arguments are.
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Re: Trump 2024
« Reply #319 on: February 25, 2021, 03:51:15 PM »
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Maybe yes, maybe no, but neither claim is factual AFAIK.
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