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Re: MAGA-DRAG
« Reply #100 on: November 01, 2020, 11:24:55 PM »
Which Gedolim? During what period in our history?
Specifically WW2. The Bais Halevi left Russia to avoid having to shave, which he held was haavaras das. There were others who disagreed and held it wasn't a problem. I don't recall ATM who.
 
Wasn't שלא שינו שמם לשונם ומלבושם meant to stress on particularly while being in Golus?
(Obviously I'm not talking of Budapest 1944)
It was. Doesn't mean you can't try to not look Jewish if it's unsafe.

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Re: MAGA-DRAG
« Reply #101 on: November 01, 2020, 11:33:35 PM »
They are showing support & appreciation for what he’s done for them over the last 4 years. And that’s why they want to re-elect him. Now what’s your issue ? Please tell me this isn’t about angering the czar that you’re worried about.

I'm worried about many things. I'm worried about the angry mobs who don't need another reason to hate us. I'm worried about the other party winning, and us needing to work with them to advance our agenda after publicly supporting the other guy. I'm worried about the radicals who are slowly rising to power in legislature, who will use this as an excuse to further alienate us and the things that are important to us.

Trump's opinion of us isn't changing with or without a rally. Others' opinions will. So again, what's the toeles?
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Re: MAGA-DRAG
« Reply #102 on: November 01, 2020, 11:36:51 PM »
Specifically WW2. The Bais Halevi left Russia to avoid having to shave, which he held was haavaras das. There were others who disagreed and held it wasn't a problem. I don't recall ATM who.
 It was. Doesn't mean you can't try to not look Jewish if it's unsafe.
I stressed that we're obviously not talking of WW2 here.
The Bais Halevi lived 50 years before WW2, nor am I aware of him escaping Volozhin and Brisk in his lifetime for any given reason.
Throughout history it would be more safe when the Jew would dress like the Pol, Frenchman etc. Definitely more importantly than nowadays.

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Re: MAGA-DRAG
« Reply #103 on: November 01, 2020, 11:38:19 PM »
They are showing support & appreciation for what he’s done for them over the last 4 years. And that’s why they want to re-elect him. Now what’s your issue ? Please tell me this isn’t about angering the czar that you’re worried about.
Did you not see @aygart 's post? Yidden lay low in galus. Show your gratitude a different way.
Besides Rubashkin, what exactly did he do for Jews anyway?

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Re: MAGA-DRAG
« Reply #104 on: November 01, 2020, 11:39:22 PM »
I'm worried about many things. I'm worried about the angry mobs who don't need another reason to hate us. I'm worried about the other party winning, and us needing to work with them to advance our agenda after publicly supporting the other guy. I'm worried about the radicals who are slowly rising to power in legislature, who will use this as an excuse to further alienate us and the things that are important to us.

Trump's opinion of us isn't changing with or without a rally. Others' opinions will. So again, what's the toeles?
And I’m saying that they’re going to be looking at how the neighborhoods voted. Nov. 3 is going to matter to them a lot more than a rally.

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Re: MAGA-DRAG
« Reply #105 on: November 01, 2020, 11:40:14 PM »
Besides Rubashkin, what exactly did he do for Jews anyway?
Seriously ? Lol

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« Reply #106 on: November 01, 2020, 11:42:45 PM »
And I’m saying that they’re going to be looking at how the neighborhoods voted. Nov. 3 is going to matter to them a lot more than a rally.

There's a difference between voting for someone and acting like his most radical supporters.
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Re: MAGA-DRAG
« Reply #107 on: November 01, 2020, 11:44:14 PM »
I stressed that we're obviously not talking of WW2 here.
The Bais Halevi lived 50 years before WW2, nor am I aware of him escaping Volozhin and Brisk in his lifetime for any given reason.
Throughout history it would be more safe when the Jew would dress like the Pol, Frenchman etc. Definitely more importantly than nowadays.
The BH and WW2 were meant as 2 separate incidents. He left Russia shortly after his divorce and learnt with R Shlomo Kluger for a year or so.

I was not advocating doing that now. He brought in Europe and my response was, if necessary, there's nothing wrong. I do not know the particulars of their situation. Just saying there could be a situation that warrants it.
The fact that a PM or someone else in a position of power suggests it, does not mean that now you can't do it. Obviously if not necessary then don't change.


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Re: MAGA-DRAG
« Reply #108 on: November 01, 2020, 11:44:24 PM »
There's a difference between voting for someone and acting like his most radical supporters.
The people in power here care a lot more about the votes than a rally. EOS

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Re: MAGA-DRAG
« Reply #109 on: November 01, 2020, 11:46:32 PM »
Did you not see @aygart 's post? Yidden lay low in galus. Show your gratitude a different way.
Besides Rubashkin, what exactly did he do for Jews anyway?
Seriously ? Lol
For starters.
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=119062.0

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« Reply #110 on: November 01, 2020, 11:47:00 PM »
The people in power here care a lot more about the votes than a rally. EOS

In power where? In NY? You really don't get it. THIS IS NATIONAL NEWS!! What you do affects EVERY JEW IN THE COUNTRY!! I guess you don't know about all the Chabad Houses that have been targets of arsonists lately? You think portraying Jews as radical Trumpers makes us safer?
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Re: MAGA-DRAG
« Reply #111 on: November 01, 2020, 11:49:46 PM »
Seriously ? Lol
What about the first part of the post?
Also, can you enlighten me? I really can't figure out how he's so great for Jews in particular. Unless you mean social values. But that's not specifically a Jewish issue. More a humanity one.

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Re: MAGA-DRAG
« Reply #113 on: November 01, 2020, 11:52:03 PM »
What about the first part of the post?
Also, can you enlighten me? I really can't figure out how he's so great for Jews in particular. Unless you mean social values. But that's not specifically a Jewish issue. More a humanity one.
pushed to call synagogues essential
Middle East is becoming friendlier with isreal
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Re: MAGA-DRAG
« Reply #114 on: November 01, 2020, 11:55:39 PM »
In power where? In NY? You really don't get it. THIS IS NATIONAL NEWS!! What you do affects EVERY JEW IN THE COUNTRY!! I guess you don't know about all the Chabad Houses that have been targets of arsonists lately? You think portraying Jews as radical Trumpers makes us safer?
Did these attacks begin after the rally ? Who are the suspects in these attacks ? You really want to connect the 2 ? I’ve been following these attacks for years. Long before Trump. They greatly increased after somebody else took office.

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Re: MAGA-DRAG
« Reply #115 on: November 01, 2020, 11:55:43 PM »
LOL. Why is that good for the Jews?
Oh come on, man! You didn't hear about the pesach programs? Come on

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Re: MAGA-DRAG
« Reply #116 on: November 01, 2020, 11:56:17 PM »
pushed to call synagogues essential
Middle East is becoming friendlier with isreal
Forgot about the first one. Definitely deserves credit there.
I don't see why the second one is good for Jews. Plus, the biggest difference was merely that it's official now. The relations have been there for a while.

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Re: MAGA-DRAG
« Reply #117 on: November 01, 2020, 11:57:37 PM »
Oh come on, man! You didn't hear about the pesach programs? Come on
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Re: MAGA-DRAG
« Reply #118 on: November 01, 2020, 11:59:47 PM »
Forgot about the first one. Definitely deserves credit there.
I don't see why the second one is good for Jews. Plus, the biggest difference was merely that it's official now. The relations have been there for a while.
it’s pushing other countries to give peace a shot.
It’s true it’s probably more beneficial for Israelis than Americans but you asked about benefits to Jews so there’s one
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Re: MAGA-DRAG
« Reply #119 on: November 02, 2020, 12:02:50 AM »
Wasn't שלא שינו שמם לשונם ומלבושם meant to stress on particularly while being in Golus?
see the last paragraph in Igros Moshe O"Ch 4 66
Small people talk about other people.
Average people talk about things
BIG PEOPLE TALK ABOUT IDEAS.