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President Joe Biden
« on: November 01, 2020, 08:34:57 AM »
There is a lot of panic among frum Trump supporters about the notion that Biden may be our next president. Although I am a Trump supporter and I really want Trump to win, I think the cause for panic is somewhat overblown.

From a simple perspective, I remember having that feeling when this former Muslim named Obama won, and Jews flocked to get passports. Yes, we may have had a few hiccups during his eight years, but we are all here to tell the tale. (Unless your name is Kayla Mueller).

Regarding the Supreme Court, which probably has the biggest consequence for frum Jews, I personally don't feel that Biden, or even Harris, will pack the courts. I think that they will not get enough votes from their own party in the House and Senate for it, and it is almost a guaranteed ticket for them to lose control of both branches of the legislature if they go ahead with it. The only reason they are not saying it now is because they don't want to turn off the radical left voters.

Without packing the supreme court, it is highly likely that they won't get any pivotal nominations over the next four years, maybe not even the next eight years. Steven Breyer is 82, so he may retire, but replacing him has little impact on the balance of powers in the court. Also, he may only retire if there is a Democrat president, so he'll try to hang on four years anyways if Trump win. Conservative Clarence Thomas also expressed interest in stepping down, but at 72, he will probably hold out four, or even eight years if a Democrat is president. (Alito is 70, so same thing with him.)

There are other issues at play also, but I think that looking at each one separately, we have reasons to vote for Trump, but not a reason to panic at the prospect of a Biden presidency.

Am I wrong?
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Re: President Joe Biden
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2020, 08:41:17 AM »
From a simple perspective, I remember having that feeling when this former Muslim named Obama won, and Jews flocked to get passports.
Is this a joke or are you serious?
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Re: President Joe Biden
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2020, 08:45:12 AM »
Is this a joke or are you serious?

The guy threw Israel under the bus and made peace with its arch enemy. The guy lived up to his muslim name.

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Re: President Joe Biden
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2020, 08:52:03 AM »
The guy threw Israel under the bus and made peace with its arch enemy. The guy lived up to his muslim name.
I understand the racism part many of you have. I was asking more about this: "and Jews flocked to get passports"
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Re: President Joe Biden
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2020, 09:04:32 AM »
There is a lot of panic among frum Trump supporters about the notion that Biden may be our next president. Although I am a Trump supporter and I really want Trump to win, I think the cause for panic is somewhat overblown.
Every 4 years thereís mass panic, and not just among the frum, Itís all over the country. The world already ended 4, 8, & 12 years ago. And itís gonna end in 4 yeas & then in 8 years again. People are far too invested in it. Psychiatrists are making a killing election time. Everybody has to take a deep breath, go out & vote (besides those that have complete breakdowns election night) & do it again in 4 years.

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Re: President Joe Biden
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2020, 09:06:18 AM »
Every 4 years thereís mass panic, and not just among the frum, Itís all over the country. The world already ended 4, 8, & 12 years ago. And itís gonna end in 4 yeas & then in 8 years again. People are far too invested in it. Psychiatrists are making a killing election time. Everybody has to take a deep breath, go out & vote (besides those that have complete breakdowns election night) & do it again in 4 years.
Even if it is crying wolf that doesn't mean the wolf is never going to show up.  ;)
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Re: President Joe Biden
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2020, 09:09:47 AM »
Every 4 years thereís mass panic, and not just among the frum, Itís all over the country. The world already ended 4, 8, & 12 years ago. And itís gonna end in 4 yeas & then in 8 years again. People are far too invested in it. Psychiatrists are making a killing election time. Everybody has to take a deep breath, go out & vote (besides those that have complete breakdowns election night) & do it again in 4 years.

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Re: President Joe Biden
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2020, 09:11:53 AM »
You are absolutely right. I will add that sometimes justices end their term in ways they would not have planned, but even if he does replace a conservative justice it would not change the balance if the court at this point.
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Re: President Joe Biden
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2020, 09:29:58 AM »
Is this a joke or are you serious?
Serious, but I should have been more careful with my wording. "there were Jews who lined up to get passports" is accurate. Most didn't, so writing plain "Jews" was misleading. But yes, there was definitely a rush on passports then.

Don't forget, less than a century ago we were half wiped out by a ruler of a country. People like to have a passport when the future is unclear.
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Re: President Joe Biden
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2020, 09:34:28 AM »
Serious, but I should have been more careful with my wording. "there were Jews who lined up to get passports" is accurate. Most didn't, so writing plain "Jews" was misleading. But yes, there was definitely a rush on passports then.

Don't forget, less than a century ago we were half wiped out by a ruler of a country. People like to have a passport when the future is unclear.
Now if I said something like that I would be accused of of equating Trump with Hitler. Lets see if you are going to be accused of equating BO with Hitler. @Lurker
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Re: President Joe Biden
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2020, 09:42:36 AM »
Now if I said something like that I would be accused of of equating Trump with Hitler. Lets see if you are going to be accused of equating BO with Hitler. @Lurker

He didn't equate BO with Hitler. He said there was a rush for passports because people were scared BO would be bad for the Jews, and they still had PTSD from Hitler. First, I think that the rush for passports is overblown. There were some who made it into a bigger deal than it was. Shocker. Second, fearing the unknown and calling the guy Hitler are not the same thing. I think you'd agree that Jews have a reason to fear the unknown. Third, BO turned out to be one of the worst presidents in history for Israel. Now, that doesn't justify anything, but the reality is, there are many American Jews who view US politics solely through the lens of what's best for Israel. This isn't news. You knew that.

Ultimately, BO wasn't Hitler and should never have been compared to him. I honestly don't think he was. If he was, that would be wrong. We good here?
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Re: President Joe Biden
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2020, 09:46:03 AM »
He didn't equate BO with Hitler. He said there was a rush for passports because people were scared BO would be bad for the Jews, and they still had PTSD from Hitler. First, I think that the rush for passports is overblown. There were some who made it into a bigger deal than it was. Shocker. Second, fearing the unknown and calling the guy Hitler are not the same thing. I think you'd agree that Jews have a reason to fear the unknown. Third, BO turned out to be one of the worst presidents in history for Israel. Now, that doesn't justify anything, but the reality is, there are many American Jews who view US politics solely through the lens of what's best for Israel. This isn't news. You knew that.

Ultimately, BO wasn't Hitler and should never have been compared to him. I honestly don't think he was. If he was, that would be wrong. We good here?
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Re: President Joe Biden
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2020, 09:56:43 AM »
Ultimately, BO wasn't Hitler and should never have been compared to him. I honestly don't think he was. If he was, that would be wrong. We good here?
I don't think he was either. I am talking about the double standard (better word ?) where if I said that all the haters would be coming out of the woodwork saying I just called Trump Hitler. Now we are good.  :)
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Re: President Joe Biden
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2020, 09:58:30 AM »
I don't think he was either. I am talking about the double standard (better word ?) where if I said that all the haters would be coming out of the woodwork saying I just called Trump Hitler. Now we are good.  :)
There is a big difference between calling someone Hitler and getting a passport in case he turns out to be one.
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Re: President Joe Biden
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2020, 10:05:57 AM »
@YitzyS The one issue I have with this thread, is it should be titled "President Kamala Harris"

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Re: President Joe Biden
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2020, 10:06:34 AM »
There is a big difference between calling someone Hitler and getting a passport in case he turns out to be one.
You should of let it go after @Lurker bailed you out.  :)
So now you are saying they got passports because they believe BO could turn out to be as bad as Hitler?
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Re: President Joe Biden
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2020, 10:12:58 AM »
You should of let it go after @Lurker bailed you out.  :)
So now you are saying they got passports because they believe BO could turn out to be as bad as Hitler?
Suspecting an unknown and getting a passport is okay. Getting up on national television and calling an unknown Hitler is not.
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Re: President Joe Biden
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2020, 10:13:26 AM »
@YitzyS The one issue I have with this thread, is it should be titled "President Kamala Harris"
The point of this thread was to tone down the panic, not to ramp it up.
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Re: President Joe Biden
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2020, 10:15:54 AM »
The point of this thread was to tone down the panic, not to ramp it up.
If Harris/Biden win. I will bet you, he doesn't complete a first term.

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Re: President Joe Biden
« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2020, 10:16:16 AM »
Suspecting an unknown and getting a passport is okay. Getting up on national television and calling an unknown Hitler is not.
...but when the unknown is based on ones own racist views that is not OK.
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