MAGA-DRAG

[chinagel]

it’s pushing other countries to give peace a shot.
It’s true it’s probably more beneficial for Israelis than Americans but you asked about benefits to Jews so there’s one

I just don't buy into the whole "what's good for the Israeli gov't is good for the Jews". People mix them up and they're not the same. But that's a whole different discussion.

[justaregularguy]

I just don't buy into the whole "what's good for the Israeli gov't is good for the Jews". People mix them up and they're not the same. But that's a whole different discussion.

don’t you want to see more people work together in this world?

[TimT]

I just don't buy into the whole "what's good for the Israeli gov't is good for the Jews". People mix them up and they're not the same. But that's a whole different discussion.

Its not mixing them up. Some things do & don’t matter to you while others have a different list of what does & doesn’t matter to them.

[chinagel]

see the last paragraph in Igros Moshe O"Ch 4 66

What about the last sentence? And his personal hanhaga?
Definitely not the pashtus.

[chinagel]

don’t you want to see more people work together in this world?

The discussion was if it's good for the Jews, not what I want.

Its not mixing them up. Some things do & don’t matter to you while others have a different list of what does & doesn’t matter to them.

The discussion was if it's good for the Jews, not what matters to me.

[yungermanchik]

What about the last sentence? And his personal hanhaga?
Definitely not the pashtus.

Ein hachi nami, and in the begining of the tshuva plus in others he calls it megunah. I was just adding another perspective, that's all.

[chinagel]

Did you not see @aygart 's post? Yidden lay low in galus. Show your gratitude a different way.
Besides Rubashkin, what exactly did he do for Jews anyway?

@TimT Can we go back to the first part of this post? It was my main point.

[TimT]

The discussion was if it's good for the Jews, not what I want.The discussion was if it's good for the Jews, not what matters to me.

And some feel it is good for jews. You’re entitled to your opinion while they’re entitled to theirs.

[yuneeq]

So have a rally for cops. Why Trump?

What’s the difference?

Funny, I think the rest of the world missed those other things. It was marketed as a Trump Drag for the election, and no one reported on those supposed other goals.

Go to any pro-America, police, or Trump rally, it will have the same participants.

[sams]

If you look throughout history, whenever Jews became visibly close with a specific leader, we always paid the price when the tides turned and the opposition took over. We became a scapegoat, an easy target. Trump has at most 4 more years. By all means, give him your support. But we gain absolutely nothing by making all this noise and drawing attention to ourselves. We only stand to lose. Remember who we are, where we are, and  why we're here.

Well said

[aygart]

Did you not see @aygart 's post? Yidden lay low in galus. Show your gratitude a different way.
Besides Rubashkin, what exactly did he do for Jews anyway?

What did I write about galus?

[gozalim]

@TimT
Take any article in the last 4 years analyzing the evangelical community, who keeps their collective nose and voted for someone personally so far from their collective values, for utilitarian purposes. Are they annoyed? Yes. Does that portray a thoughtful electorate with specific needs and values, to be reckoned with when the (local?) political need arises? Also yes.

Compare that with the image of uneducated, racist, gun toting bigot rednecks in pickup trucks. There's no 'electable views' there.
The 1st has a huge point and purpose. For the 2nd what's the purpose, ROI, making the התגרות worthwhile?

[chinagel]

What did I write about galus?

It was a sparate statement.