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How did Biden win the 2020 Election?

Widespread premeditated fraud orchestrated by senior DNC figures & known to Biden
Enough legitimate votes to win, perhaps negligible amounts of fraud
Individual level fraud prevalent enough amongst Democrats to swing the election

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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #812 on: March 18, 2021, 11:42:12 AM »
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/18/politics/iowa-2nd-district-rita-hart-marianette-miller-meeks-trump/index.html

Forget about trying to win in court, lets just strongarm the seat and do an armed robbery of it.

I guess following a process explicitly laid out in the constitution as has been done over 100 times is the new 'Strong-armed armed robbery'... 
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #813 on: March 18, 2021, 01:20:42 PM »
I guess following a process explicitly laid out in the constitution as has been done over 100 times is the new 'Strong-armed armed robbery'... 
No less so than going to court. Note that your "over a hundred cases" only include a grand total of 3 where the contestant was actually seated. No they are not doing anything illegal, but you, as someone who spoke vociferously about Trump going to court, should be from those strongly condemning this. This is an illustration of how you are terribly inconsistent with your own opinions.
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #814 on: March 18, 2021, 01:31:31 PM »
No less so than going to court.

Actually, the constitution explicitly empowers the house to decide elections issues. It does not empower courts to do so.

you, as someone who spoke vociferously about Trump going to court, should be from those strongly condemning this.
Trump went to court on false pretenses to overturn an election in bad faith. He also called on Pence and others to do outrageously illegal things. This case is a seat won by 6 votes with 22 in dispute.

This is an illustration of how you are terribly inconsistent with your own opinions.
There is nothing in parallel between the two stories. The only thing it illustrates is how you try to paint both sides of the political spectrum equally negative despite their being significant differences.
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #815 on: March 18, 2021, 04:06:38 PM »
Actually, the constitution explicitly empowers the house to decide elections issues. It does not empower courts to do so.
Trump went to court on false pretenses to overturn an election in bad faith. He also called on Pence and others to do outrageously illegal things. This case is a seat won by 6 votes with 22 in dispute.
There is nothing in parallel between the two stories. The only thing it illustrates is how you try to paint both sides of the political spectrum equally negative despite their being significant differences.
Does it give the courts the right to adjudicate legal disputes?
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #816 on: March 18, 2021, 04:46:53 PM »
Does it give the courts the right to adjudicate legal disputes?
The constitution explicitly gives Congress, not courts, the authority to act as a final judicial tribunal on disputes relating to election of house members. It's carved out from any powers given to courts.

Courts having any say at all in Congressional election disputes was only established in 1972 when SCOTUS overturned the District Court in Roudebush v. Hartke and ruled courts have some authority provided they don't interfere with the final exclusive jurisdiction of Congress. There is much debate how to interpret Roudebush v. Hartke, but notably, in his partial dissent, Douglas writes Congress still has authority to subpoena ballots to physically prevent a judicially ordered recount.

Claiming the courts are a more appropriate venue than Congress is simple ignorance if not political dishonesty. I'd actually be surprised if you still dispute it.


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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #817 on: March 18, 2021, 08:44:20 PM »
The constitution explicitly gives Congress, not courts, the authority to act as a final judicial tribunal on disputes relating to election of house members. It's carved out from any powers given to courts.

Courts having any say at all in Congressional election disputes was only established in 1972 when SCOTUS overturned the District Court in Roudebush v. Hartke and ruled courts have some authority provided they don't interfere with the final exclusive jurisdiction of Congress. There is much debate how to interpret Roudebush v. Hartke, but notably, in his partial dissent, Douglas writes Congress still has authority to subpoena ballots to physically prevent a judicially ordered recount.

Claiming the courts are a more appropriate venue than Congress is simple ignorance if not political dishonesty. I'd actually be surprised if you still dispute it.




I didn't make a claim that courts are a more appropriate venue, but what is happening here is that the vote was reviewed and recounted by a bi-partisan board and they are trying to have a friendly biased group overturn it in their own favor.

ETA but yes Trump was most likely more egregious in his bad faith.
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #818 on: March 18, 2021, 08:50:15 PM »
@PlatinumGuy then what was illegal about Trump asking Pence to settle the election dispute in congress?

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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #819 on: March 22, 2021, 05:02:05 PM »
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #820 on: March 22, 2021, 05:17:07 PM »
@PlatinumGuy then what was illegal about Trump asking Pence to settle the election dispute in congress?
The constitution empowers congress to Congressional elections.
States decide how to appoint their electors for Presidential elections, Congress has zero say in it.

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