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How did Biden win the 2020 Election?

Widespread premeditated fraud orchestrated by senior DNC figures & known to Biden
Enough legitimate votes to win, perhaps negligible amounts of fraud
Individual level fraud prevalent enough amongst Democrats to swing the election

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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #600 on: December 01, 2020, 12:58:25 PM »
How about you find 1 single claim that is substantial? Nobody is going to spend their time debunking every single theory - like the expert witness about Edison County, Michigan, when there is no Edison county anywhere in the US.
Maybe he misspoke and meant a different county name that actually exists. If no one debunks it, why should anyone believe they're false?
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #601 on: December 01, 2020, 01:07:24 PM »
Maybe he misspoke and meant a different county name that actually exists. If no one debunks it, why should anyone believe they're false?
Misspoke in an affidavit to a court? Lol
Enough have been debunked and not a single one has been substantiated, so you have to be pretty dumb to fall for it
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #602 on: December 01, 2020, 01:34:30 PM »
Maybe he misspoke and meant a different county name that actually exists. If no one debunks it, why should anyone believe they're false?
The best criticism of Trump claims has been by judges in their rulings.
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #603 on: December 01, 2020, 02:21:28 PM »
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #605 on: December 01, 2020, 02:40:48 PM »
Find me someone doing an honest job disproving all the claims. There was one guy on twitter, I think it was posted on this thread, he did a great job discrediting about 80% of what he discussed but the other 20% got claims that he didn't actually substantiate. The most compelling issues I see right now are obviously the media blackout as well as the massive Biden dumps in the middle of the night in all the states Biden flipped. Yes I know there was 1 that was a typo adding something like 150k for Biden instead of 15k, but that was fixed very soon thereafter, the others were not.

I remember when we were told it's ludicrous to think the Obama administration spied on the Trump campaign. Trump has made seemingly outlandish claims in the past that were proven correct, I still don't see much evidence this is any different.
Come on, man. The burden of proof is on the one making wild claims that are contrary to the current results. If he hasn’t been able to bring even one valid *proof*, what in the world would make you believe anything he spews? The onus can’t be on the system to prove that there *isn’t* fraud, because it’s impossible to prove a negative. That’s ridiculous.
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #606 on: December 01, 2020, 02:46:55 PM »

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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #607 on: December 01, 2020, 03:01:26 PM »
Did anyone here watch it?
I think I saw somewhere that it was that they hacked into CNN's meeting or something like that.
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #608 on: December 01, 2020, 03:02:11 PM »
Did anyone here watch it?
There is nothing to watch, they claim they have recordings from CNN internal meetings and will release them tonight.
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #609 on: December 01, 2020, 03:06:38 PM »
The best criticism of Trump claims has been by judges in their rulings.

Also by Trump's AG
https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-elections-william-barr-b1f1488796c9a98c4b1a9061a6c7f49d
Barr didn’t name Powell specifically but said: “There’s been one assertion that would be systemic fraud and that would be the claim that machines were programmed essentially to skew the election results. And the DHS and DOJ have looked into that, and so far, we haven’t seen anything to substantiate that,” Barr said.
He said people were confusing the use of the federal criminal justice system with allegations that should be made in civil lawsuits. He said such a remedy for those complaints would be a top-down audit conducted by state or local officials, not the U.S. Justice Department.
“There’s a growing tendency to use the criminal justice system as sort of a default fix-all, and people don’t like something they want the Department of Justice to come in and ‘investigate,’” Barr said.
He said first of all there must be a basis to believe there is a crime to investigate.
“Most claims of fraud are very particularized to a particular set of circumstances or actors or conduct. They are not systemic allegations and. And those have been run down; they are being run down,” Barr said. “Some have been broad and potentially cover a few thousand votes. They have been followed up on.”
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #610 on: December 01, 2020, 03:17:01 PM »
Also by Trump's AG
https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-elections-william-barr-b1f1488796c9a98c4b1a9061a6c7f49d
Barr didn’t name Powell specifically but said: “There’s been one assertion that would be systemic fraud and that would be the claim that machines were programmed essentially to skew the election results. And the DHS and DOJ have looked into that, and so far, we haven’t seen anything to substantiate that,” Barr said.
He said people were confusing the use of the federal criminal justice system with allegations that should be made in civil lawsuits. He said such a remedy for those complaints would be a top-down audit conducted by state or local officials, not the U.S. Justice Department.
“There’s a growing tendency to use the criminal justice system as sort of a default fix-all, and people don’t like something they want the Department of Justice to come in and ‘investigate,’” Barr said.
He said first of all there must be a basis to believe there is a crime to investigate.
“Most claims of fraud are very particularized to a particular set of circumstances or actors or conduct. They are not systemic allegations and. And those have been run down; they are being run down,” Barr said. “Some have been broad and potentially cover a few thousand votes. They have been followed up on.”
Guliani & Barr at each others throats again
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #611 on: December 01, 2020, 03:31:32 PM »
Come on, man. The burden of proof is on the one making wild claims that are contrary to the current results. If he hasn’t been able to bring even one valid *proof*, what in the world would make you believe anything he spews? The onus can’t be on the system to prove that there *isn’t* fraud, because it’s impossible to prove a negative. That’s ridiculous.
I remember when we were told it's ludicrous to think the Obama administration spied on the Trump campaign. Trump has made seemingly outlandish claims in the past that were proven correct, I still don't see much evidence this is any different.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #612 on: December 01, 2020, 03:34:29 PM »
Well the AP called the election for Biden so clearly this is all nonsense.

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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #613 on: December 01, 2020, 03:37:14 PM »
It's truly sad to see that 4 years of Trump's rhetoric has literally rotted some people's thinking ability. Nebach

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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #614 on: December 01, 2020, 03:42:16 PM »
It's truly sad to see that 4 years of Trump's rhetoric has literally rotted some people's thinking ability. Nebach
MIrror, meet @Baruch
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #615 on: December 01, 2020, 03:43:29 PM »
Guliani & Barr at each others throats again

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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #617 on: December 01, 2020, 03:47:36 PM »

While Trump may have made accusations in the past that turned out to be correct, he’s also made plenty of claims that have been outright lies. The fact that he alleges something is worth zero without proof. Why have we seen none of it? To claim that therefore it must be true, because you haven’t seen proof of it being debunked, is absurd. The onus is on him to provide evidence. Is it possible? Sure. Is it likely to be true? Of course not. It’s a wild claim.
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #618 on: December 01, 2020, 03:51:10 PM »
It's truly sad to see that 4 years of Trump's rhetoric has literally rotted some people's thinking ability. Nebach
The lack of self awareness in this post is enough to put a CNN anchor to shame.

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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #619 on: December 01, 2020, 03:54:19 PM »
It's truly sad to see that 4 years of Trump's rhetoric has literally rotted some people's thinking ability. Nebach
I read Mishpacha & Ami this week, and found it very enlightening. The frum media is a MAGA echo box with zero attempt at covering both sides of any argument.
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