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How did Biden win the 2020 Election?

Widespread premeditated fraud orchestrated by senior DNC figures & known to Biden
Enough legitimate votes to win, perhaps negligible amounts of fraud
Individual level fraud prevalent enough amongst Democrats to swing the election

Author Topic: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?  (Read 73882 times)

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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #660 on: December 03, 2020, 06:05:04 PM »
One thing to be careful with is that if you bring a witness to testify in front of a legislature make sure they are not drunk.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #661 on: December 03, 2020, 07:28:08 PM »
AZ - Republicans asked to review duplicate ballots to see if any were copied wrong. A judge allowed them to sample 100 (of 28,000), to see if they come up with any issues. They found that 2 of the 100 were switched by poll workers with one going from Trump to Biden, and one going from Trump to no vote. The judge has not yet ruled on their request to review the rest, but the board of elections offered to review another 2,500.
2 out of 100 indicates 560 out of 28000. This is perfectly inline with what recounts are expected to change and not at all widespread fraud.
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #662 on: December 03, 2020, 07:40:14 PM »
GA - On election night, Republican observers (and the media) were sent home with the claim that counted had stopped and would not continue until the next morning. For the past month, Republicans have been called conspiracy theorist for claiming that they continued counting during the night. Today, Trump's team released surveillance video showing 4 people staying behind, waiting for everyone to leave, and then pulling out 4 suitcases of ballots from under a table and running them through the machine.
This is the opposite of the truth.

Trump team released a video purporting to show a table being brought in at 8:22am with ballots underneath it. There is nothing illegitimate about that.

Trump's team claim of 4 people counting is from 10pm to 1am. Not through the night. It is also not based on any witness or video, it is based on Republican observers being told by news crews counting was happening (aka hearsay), and meeting election workers outside the building at 1am who claimed to have just left. See the full claim below.

On the contrary, the videos prove there was effective surveillance, yet it doesn't show any nefarious action or counting without observers.

This is before addressing the fact Observers are in no way constitutionally required. I'm not sure if GA law mandates them.

https://twitter.com/TeamTrump/status/1334566301205925889?s=20
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #663 on: December 03, 2020, 07:48:53 PM »
Trump's team claim of 4 people counting is from 10pm to 1am. Not through the night. It is also not based on any witness or video, it is based on Republican observers being told by news crews counting was happening (aka hearsay), and meeting election workers outside the building at 1am who claimed to have just left.

There is video of them counting after everyone left. Your "rebuttal" is the lie that was told until this video was found. The video came from the building surveillance cameras, not from the board of elections or the SOS.

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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #664 on: December 03, 2020, 07:52:34 PM »
There is video of them counting after everyone left. Your "rebuttal" is the lie that was told until this video was found. The video came from the building surveillance cameras, not from the board of elections or the SOS.
Link? The Trump tweet include an OAN excerpt that doesn't mention a word of that, but does mention the hearsay story I posted.
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #665 on: December 03, 2020, 07:57:58 PM »
Link? The Trump tweet include an OAN excerpt that doesn't mention a word of that, but does mention the hearsay story I posted.

I was watching clips of the hearing. I'll have to look to find it.

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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #666 on: December 03, 2020, 08:06:27 PM »
I'm not sure if GA law mandates them.

https://codes.findlaw.com/ga/title-21-elections/ga-code-sect-21-2-408.html
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(c) In counties or municipalities using direct recording electronic (DRE) voting systems or optical scanning voting systems, each political party may appoint two poll watchers in each primary or election, each political body may appoint two poll watchers in each election, each nonpartisan candidate may appoint one poll watcher in each nonpartisan election, and each independent candidate may appoint one poll watcher in each election to serve in the locations designated by the superintendent within the tabulating center.  Such designated locations shall include the check-in area, the computer room, the duplication area, and such other areas as the superintendent may deem necessary to the assurance of fair and honest procedures in the tabulating center.  The poll watchers provided for in this subsection shall be appointed and serve in the same manner as other poll watchers.

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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #668 on: December 03, 2020, 09:03:20 PM »
Sorry about the source (especially considering where their source is), but they have a clip here - https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/1925708/watch-this-trump-team-presents-video-evidence-of-blatant-election-fraud-in-georgia.html
So let's see if this withstands scrutiny.
YWN cites Russia Today, a known Kremlin propaganda outfit, which in turn cites a Team Trump tweet which claims to show something in an OAN excerpt, yet the OAN excerpt they attached to the tweet shows something completely different. And you fell for it.
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #669 on: December 03, 2020, 09:11:34 PM »
Link? The Trump tweet include an OAN excerpt that doesn't mention a word of that, but does mention the hearsay story I posted.
...the OAN excerpt they attached to the tweet shows something completely different.
Are we watching the same video/tweet here? because in the one that you posted above she's clearly claiming that it shows what @zh cohen said it did. (namely that they sent out the watchers claiming they were stopping the count then pulled out boxes of ballots from under a table and proceeded to count them unsupervised.)


ETA: ok, this clip doesn't show the pulling boxes out from under the table part, but the rest is there.
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #670 on: December 03, 2020, 09:14:28 PM »
Are we watching the same video/tweet here? because in the one that you posted above she's clearly claiming that it shows what @zh cohen said it did. (namely that they sent out the watchers claiming they were stopping the count then pulled out boxes of ballots from under a table and proceeded to count them unsupervised.)
The video in the tweet does not claim that. The tweet claims that's in the video, but the video has an entirely different story.
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #671 on: December 03, 2020, 09:24:42 PM »
The video in the tweet does not claim that.
Sure it does. Did you watch it with the sound on?

Here's a clip that shows more parts of it.
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #672 on: December 03, 2020, 09:58:16 PM »
Sure it does. Did you watch it with the sound on?

Here's a clip that show's more parts of it.

This is a different clip.

It shows footage from 10:30-11pm, which they claim is ballots being counted (until 1am, not through the night).

Then it skips to footage of a table being placed at 08:21am, trying to claim they were counting ballots from under that table at 10:30pm. However, at 1:06 you can see very clearly the table was empty when they placed it there. Whatever was under there wasn't place at 08:21am.
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #673 on: December 03, 2020, 10:11:23 PM »
So let's see if this withstands scrutiny.
YWN cites Russia Today, a known Kremlin propaganda outfit, which in turn cites a Team Trump tweet which claims to show something in an OAN excerpt, yet the OAN excerpt they attached to the tweet shows something completely different. And you fell for it.

Did you watch the video on the bottom of the YWN page? It shows them taking the ballots out from under the table.

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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #674 on: December 03, 2020, 10:19:38 PM »
Here are some facts.

The burst pipe was fixed by 8am on Nov 3.

https://www.11alive.com/article/news/politics/elections/georgia-absentee-ballots-ok-after-pipe-bursts-at-state-farm-arena/85-37a6c502-09cd-48eb-8856-15c5602d6aff


The delay of the count was specifically said not to be because of a pipe.

https://twitter.com/AndyPierrotti/status/1323824378463793155?s=20


There is a reason nobody actually tried to take this nonsense to a court.

Did you watch the video on the bottom of the YWN page? It shows them taking the ballots out from under the table.
Which was empty when it was brought in at 8am, while they're trying to imply it was brought in with fraudulent votes inside.

https://twitter.com/stphnfwlr/status/1334603429713506308?s=20
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #675 on: December 03, 2020, 10:22:05 PM »
It shows footage from 10:30-11pm, which they claim is ballots being counted (until 1am, not through the night).

Then it skips to footage of a table being placed at 08:21am, trying to claim they were counting ballots from under that table at 10:30pm. However, at 1:06 you can see very clearly the table was empty when they placed it there. Whatever was under there wasn't place at 08:21am.

1 - You seem to be very caught up on the "through the night" thing, as if anyone here was claiming that they were counting the whole night.

2 - In the hearing they said that they are in the process of reviewing the footage to see when the suitcase were put under the table.

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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #676 on: December 03, 2020, 10:24:53 PM »
Those don't count because they fit with the way he wants things to be.
None of those articles say which side the fraud was done for.
1 of them says it was for Dems, but the article is about a story in 2007.

As usual you don't read before you write. And can never let down the chance to be anti anti Trump.

My usual analysis on you, brains - maybe?, balls - no.
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #677 on: December 03, 2020, 10:26:23 PM »
1 - You seem to be very caught up on the "through the night" thing, as if anyone here was claiming that they were counting the whole night.
That's because you're focusing on that as evidence of fraud.


GA - On election night, Republican observers (and the media) were sent home with the claim that counted had stopped and would not continue until the next morning. For the past month, Republicans have been called conspiracy theorist for claiming that they continued counting during the night. Today, Trump's team released surveillance video showing 4 people staying behind,





Yet here is an article about this incident from Nov 5. The County maintained all along that it continued counting after 10:30pm. There is nothing revealed in these videos (other than ballots may have been stored under a table, in plain sight)

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Georgia Republican Party Chairman David Shafer tweeted Wednesday: “Fulton County told our observers last night to go home because they were closing up and then continued to count ballots in secret.”

County officials disputed that. Barron told the county board of commissioners that when he learned staffers were dismissed at 10:30 p.m. Tuesday night, he advised that some of them needed to stay, county spokeswoman Jessica Corbitt said in an email.

“Based on that directive, a smaller crew continued to work through the night,” Corbitt said. “It may be possible that observers left at the time the majority of the staff left, but from the information we have, the processing area was never closed to observers.”

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-georgia-elections-3e4a91201f3d4f269d7b961e310ed2fe
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #678 on: December 03, 2020, 10:30:32 PM »
Here are some facts.

The burst pipe was fixed by 8am on Nov 3.

https://www.11alive.com/article/news/politics/elections/georgia-absentee-ballots-ok-after-pipe-bursts-at-state-farm-arena/85-37a6c502-09cd-48eb-8856-15c5602d6aff


The delay of the count was specifically said not to be because of a pipe.

https://twitter.com/AndyPierrotti/status/1323824378463793155?s=20


There is a reason nobody actually tried to take this nonsense to a court.
Which was empty when it was brought in at 8am, while they're trying to imply it was brought in with fraudulent votes inside.

https://twitter.com/stphnfwlr/status/1334603429713506308?s=20

You continue to debunk claims that no-one but you is making.

Also, the article you posted writes that
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Officials sent ballot counters home at 10:30 p.m. and said they'd return at 8:30 a.m. Wednesday.
Yet now we have video of them counting after 11.

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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #679 on: December 03, 2020, 10:32:16 PM »
That's because you're focusing on that as evidence of fraud.

Huh? Where did I say that?