Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?

[PlatinumGuy]

You continue to debunk claims that no-one but you is making.

Also, the article you posted writes that Yet now we have video of them counting after 11.

If so, the article I posed is wrong, per the Fulton County statement on Nov 5.

I debunked your claim that counting after 10:30pm was considered a conspiracy theory for a month until footage emerged now. It was officially acknowledged by Fulton County on Nov 5. Do you have anything to say about that or are you going to keep on trying to change the subject?

[PlatinumGuy]

Huh? Where did I say that?

For the past month, Republicans have been called conspiracy theorist for claiming that they continued counting during the night. Today, Trump's team released surveillance video showing 4 people staying behind,

Dead wrong. Counting after 10:30pm was acknowledged on Nov 5 by Fulton County and reported by AP.

[PlatinumGuy]

https://codes.findlaw.com/ga/title-21-elections/ga-code-sect-21-2-408.html

It grants them the option to be there. Fulton county, in a Press Release from Nov 5, claims they voluntarily left after a miscommunication from the county.

Where are affidavits from these Republican poll watchers that they were forced to leave?

[whYME]

It grants them the option to be there. Fulton county, in a Press Release from Nov 5, claims they voluntarily left after a miscommunication from the county.

lol, let me guess. There was a "miscommunication" when they claimed that the counting was done for the night, and once the observers "voluntarily" left thinking there was no reason to stay there the counting resumed.

Nothing suspicious there at all.

[PlatinumGuy]

lol, let me guess. There was a "miscommunication" when they claimed that the counting was done for the night, and once the observers "voluntarily" left thinking there was no reason to stay there the counting resumed.

Nothing suspicious there at all.

Definitely not ideal, but so long as the Republican poll-watchers weren't forced to leave, they shouldn't have left.

Also, there is no evidence of the Poll-Watchers being asked or told to leave. The county claims at one point some of the employees mistakenly thought they would stop counting at 10:30pm.

Finally, even if the County did force poll watchers out, and continue counting votes illegal, there is zero evidence this benefited Biden and not Trump. The Republican Sos had a supervisor in there throughout.

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-georgia-elections-3e4a91201f3d4f269d7b961e310ed2fe.

[PlatinumGuy]

Georgia announced an investigation of this Fulton county 10:30pm-1am counting incident on Nov 17

https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-news/georgia-opens-2-investigations-into-fultons-elections-operations/EVCBN4ZJTZELPDHMH63POL3RKQ/


https://outline.com/xpNfEw

[aygart]

None of those articles say which side the fraud was done for.
1 of them says it was for Dems, but the article is about a story in 2007.

As usual you don't read before you write. And can never let down the chance to be anti anti Trump.

My usual analysis on you, brains - maybe?, balls - no.

If that is what you call those who disagree with your far out opinions then so be it.

[zh cohen]

None of those articles say which side the fraud was done for.

How is that in any way relevant to your claim that the video you posted was the first case of voter fraud in 2020?

If that is what you call those who disagree with your far out opinions then so be it.

It is amazing how Trump transforms his opponents into mirror images of him...

[Jellybelly]

Georgia governor now calling for a signature audit

[PlatinumGuy]

Georgia governor now calling for a signature audit

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1334709164954832896?s=21

I assume SoS will cave and call for it, and nothing grossly irregular will be found. Signatures have nothing to do with votes being counted at night

ETA. The Gov called for a Signature Audit already on Nov 23, if not earlier. Another piece of overdramatized news. Doesn't look like the SoS has any intention of doing this
https://gov.georgia.gov/press-releases/2020-11-23/governor-kemp-formalizes-election-certification-calls-signature-audit

[PlatinumGuy]

https://twitter.com/ewerickson/status/1334741083453009921?s=21

Believe he’s Republican

[zh cohen]

I debunked your claim that counting after 10:30pm was considered a conspiracy theory for a month until footage emerged now. It was officially acknowledged by Fulton County on Nov 5. Do you have anything to say about that or are you going to keep on trying to change the subject?

Submitted without comment.

Trump's team claim of 4 people counting is from 10pm to 1am. Not through the night. It is also not based on any witness or video, it is based on Republican observers being told by news crews counting was happening (aka hearsay), and meeting election workers outside the building at 1am who claimed to have just left.

[zh cohen]

https://twitter.com/ewerickson/status/1334741083453009921?s=21

The AP article you posted says they shut down for the night, and then changed their mind and told a few people to stay.

Believe he’s Republican

He's #NeverTrump

[avromie7]

Definitely not ideal, but so long as the Republican poll-watchers weren't forced to leave, they shouldn't have left.

Also, there is no evidence of the Poll-Watchers being asked or told to leave. The county claims at one point some of the employees mistakenly thought they would stop counting at 10:30pm.

Finally, even if the County did force poll watchers out, and continue counting votes illegal, there is zero evidence this benefited Biden and not Trump. The Republican Sos had a supervisor in there throughout.

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-georgia-elections-3e4a91201f3d4f269d7b961e310ed2fe.

This is ridiculous, this is akin to counting in a secret location, but because they weren't explicitly denied access you're saying it's fine.

[aygart]

This is ridiculous, this is akin to counting in a secret location, but because they weren't explicitly denied access you're saying it's fine.

To lie and trick them is fine as long as they weren't forced out by gunpoint. And Trump is a liar.

[PlatinumGuy]

To lie and trick them is fine as long as they weren't forced out by gunpoint. And Trump is a liar.

Are you arguing Trump is not a liar?

Nobody said it's fine, I specifically said it's not ideal. It's also not fraudulent, and it's dumb of the Poll Watchers to leave before a Poll Site is closed.

There is no evidence they were lied to or tricked. The Fulton County Press Release from Nov 5, and the GA Investigation on Nov 17 found no wrongdoing, nobody was lied or tricked.

Finally, this is as much anti-Biden as it is anti-Trump

This is ridiculous, this is akin to counting in a secret location, but because they weren't explicitly denied access you're saying it's fine.

That's total BS. A secret location without informing Poll Watchers isn't an illegitimate count. Poll Watchers knowing there is a count, knowing where it is, and being allowed to be present is no way similar even if some employees mistakenly told them the count would end earlier. A Poll Watcher shouldn't leave a Poll Site until there is nobody left inside or he is dragged out.

The AP article you posted says they shut down for the night, and then changed their mind and told a few people to stay.

Nope. It says they decided to shut down, then changed their mind. It does not say they actually shut down.

[PlatinumGuy]

https://twitter.com/brendankeefe/status/1334870967164809219?s=21

This is going to cost them the senate.

Submitted without comment.

So in an attempt to distract from the fact that your original claim was bogus, you're submitting a post from before I knew of the county's Nov 5 statement, GA Nov 17 investigation, and footage that became viral now, where I correctly pointed out the Trump Team claims you quoted did not cite any evidence and only cited hearsay, as being wrong because in fact there evidence. Yet I was still right, the Trump Team tweets from yesterday don't use this evidence and instead base their claims on hearsay, which is what I claimed.

[PlatinumGuy]

https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2020/12/fact-check-video-from-ga-does-not-show-suitcases-filled-with-ballots-pulled-from-under-a-table-after-poll-workers-dismissed.html

Frances Watson, chief investigator for the Georgia secretary of state, told Lead Stories during a phone call on December 3, 2020, that the ballots were in standard containers, and the work during the time in question had nothing to do with pulling ballots from under a table. She said:

There wasn't a bin that had ballots in it under that table. It was an empty bin and the ballots from it were actually out on the table when the media were still there, and then it was placed back into the box when the media were still there and placed next to the table.

There was never an announcement made to the media and other observers about the counting being over for the night and them needing to leave, according to Watson, who was provided information by the media liaison, who was present. She said they just followed the "cutters" as they left.

She said:

Nobody told them to stay. Nobody told them to leave. Nobody gave them any advice on what they should do. And It was still open for them or the public to come back in to view at whatever time they wanted to, as long as they were still working.[/i]

In addition, she explained that the only ballots that were scanned after the media and other observers had left were those that had already been opened in front of these observers.

Contrary to the claim, the ballots were not in suitcases, she said. The black boxes and bins seen in the video are the standard container used for the ballot counting process.

A state election board monitor, who asked for his name not to be used due to safety concerns, told Lead Stories on the phone on December 3, 2020, that he was present at the vote counting location beginning at 11:52 p.m., after leaving briefly at earlier in the evening. He then stayed until about 12:45 a.m., when the work that night was completed.

The deputy chief investigator for the secretary of state's office was present beginning at 12:15 a.m. November 4, he said.

The election monitor also told Lead Stories that between 8 p.m. on November 3, 2020, and 12:43 a.m. on November 4, 2020, the scanners had scanned about 10,000 ballots.

According to the Georgia Secretary of State's office, Biden received 2,474,507 votes, while Trump received 2,461,837 -- a winning margin of 12,670 votes for Biden. In other words, the votes counted during this period would not have changed the results of this election even if they all were switched from Trump to Biden.

[avromie7]

https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2020/12/fact-check-video-from-ga-does-not-show-suitcases-filled-with-ballots-pulled-from-under-a-table-after-poll-workers-dismissed.html

According to the Georgia Secretary of State's office, Biden received 2,474,507 votes, while Trump received 2,461,837 -- a winning margin of 12,670 votes for Biden. In other words, the votes counted during this period would not have changed the results of this election even if they all were switched from Trump to Biden.

This is something I've seen from you and others many times, the claim that because this instance of alleged fraud wouldn't change the election we should just ignore it. You're more than welcome to deny the claim of fraud, but fraud on any significant scale should definitely be a huge concern especially because something like this that would shrink Bidens margin by around 90%. Nevermind the fact that this is assuming the number 10k ballots is accurate, because the machines can tabulate 3k/hour, multiply that by 3 machines for 2 hours and you get 18k which is more than the current margin.

[Baruch]

How is that in any way relevant to your claim that the video you posted was the first case of voter fraud in 2020?

It is amazing how Trump transforms his opponents into mirror images of him...

I quoted his explanation of why I omitted those.