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How did Biden win the 2020 Election?

Widespread premeditated fraud orchestrated by senior DNC figures & known to Biden
Enough legitimate votes to win, perhaps negligible amounts of fraud
Individual level fraud prevalent enough amongst Democrats to swing the election

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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #700 on: December 04, 2020, 11:38:29 AM »
This is something I've seen from you and others many times, the claim that because this instance of alleged fraud wouldn't change the election we should just ignore it. You're more than welcome to deny the claim of fraud, but fraud on any significant scale should definitely be a huge concern especially because something like this that would shrink Bidens margin by around 90%. Nevermind the fact that this is assuming the number 10k ballots is accurate, because the machines can tabulate 3k/hour, multiply that by 3 machines for 2 hours and you get 18k which is more than the current margin.
Honestly, if one good thing comes out from the whole back it forth here it can be better monitoring for fraud or other inequities in the future. I don't think that it is relevant whether it would flip the election. It CAN flip the election in other cases if left to continue. The way Ds fight against ANY investigation of election fraud is, to me the biggest indicator that it is happening somewhere somehow. The fight against investigation is what is destroying confidence in elections more than some silly accusations getting thrown out of court.
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #701 on: December 04, 2020, 11:40:55 AM »
This is something I've seen from you and others many times, the claim that because this instance of alleged fraud wouldn't change the election we should just ignore it. You're more than welcome to deny the claim of fraud, but fraud on any significant scale should definitely be a huge concern especially because something like this that would shrink Bidens margin by around 90%.

Nobody said fraud is OK. We said there was no fraud here , but even if there was the results are still correct.

Nevermind the fact that this is assuming the number 10k ballots is accurate, because the machines can tabulate 3k/hour, multiply that by 3 machines for 2 hours and you get 18k which is more than the current margin.
Presumably they have a log of ballots posted during these times which is more reliable than a random YouTube poster with a demonstrated tendency to doctor claims.
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #702 on: December 04, 2020, 11:41:45 AM »
The way Ds fight against ANY investigation of election fraud is, to me the biggest indicator that it is happening somewhere somehow. The fight against investigation is what is destroying confidence in elections more than some silly accusations getting thrown out of court.
You realize in this story all sides are Republican?
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #703 on: December 04, 2020, 11:43:52 AM »
Honestly, if one good thing comes out from the whole back it forth here it can be better monitoring for fraud or other inequities in the future. I don't think that it is relevant whether it would flip the election. It CAN flip the election in other cases if left to continue. The way Ds fight against ANY investigation of election fraud is, to me the biggest indicator that it is happening somewhere somehow. The fight against investigation is what is destroying confidence in elections more than some silly accusations getting thrown out of court.
+1

They're not serious about a fair election, any claims they make are solely because they think it will help them win and nothing else. If the Ds were serious about a fair election they would be open to any and all investigations.
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #704 on: December 04, 2020, 11:47:47 AM »
Presumably they have a log of ballots posted during these times which is more reliable than a random YouTube poster with a demonstrated tendency to doctor claims.
You don't have to take her claims at face value either.
You realize in this story all sides are Republican?
There is only 1 side vehemently denying there is any reason to investigate any of the allegations of fraud.
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #705 on: December 04, 2020, 11:50:25 AM »
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They're not serious about a fair election, any claims they make are solely because they think it will help them win and nothing else. If the Ds were serious about a fair election they would be open to any and all investigations.
I shall remind you that Bush beat Gore in 2004 because SCOTUS limited the FL recount. The margin ended up at a bit more than 500 votes, and if they would've recount all votes, it's quite possible Gore would've won.

I guess you don't like transparency when it doesn't suit you.

Signature audit, unlike that benign recount, infringes upon voters right for privacy, and changing the laws after an election is the exact opposite of fair, and quite possibly violates those voters constitutional rights of due process.

You don't have to take her claims at face value either.  There is only 1 side vehemently denying there is any reason to investigate any of the allegations of fraud.
I tend to trust a GA Republican official investigation, yes.
The side denying any reason to investigate is REPUBLICAN GA officials. You won't hear Democrats talking about this much.
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #706 on: December 04, 2020, 11:53:14 AM »
You tend to trust a republican election official investigation??
Haha
That’s only cuz they’re  saying what you want them to say.

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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #707 on: December 04, 2020, 11:53:59 AM »
You realize in this story all sides are Republican?
I am not talking about GA right now specifically.
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #708 on: December 04, 2020, 11:56:22 AM »
You tend to trust a republican election official investigation??
Haha
That’s only cuz they’re  saying what you want them to say.
Totally not true. I would trust an official gov investigation either way. That's the difference between me and you.

I am not talking about GA right now specifically.
The bottom line is the dumb poor voters who can't be bothered to figure out their ID's and never really have anything to sign to know how to do that, vote D, and they won't want to lose those votes. The actual election processes other than ID are usually bipartisan
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #709 on: December 04, 2020, 12:11:14 PM »
Totally not true. I would trust an official gov investigation either way. That's the difference between me and you.
The bottom line is the dumb poor voters who can't be bothered to figure out their ID's and never really have anything to sign to know how to do that, vote D, and they won't want to lose those votes. The actual election processes other than ID are usually bipartisan
Ahh but these people who can't figure out how to get a basic ID were all able to properly fill in the mail in ballots by themselves. MMHHMM.

Comeon man! You are smart enough to know that is a bunch of bunk.
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #710 on: December 04, 2020, 12:13:50 PM »
Ahh but these people who can't figure out how to get a basic ID were all able to properly fill in the mail in ballots by themselves. MMHHMM.

Comeon man! You are smart enough to know that is a bunch of bunk.
Filling a mail in ballot takes a lot less effort, and much easier for volunteers to help with than obtaining an ID. I happen to support a voter ID requirement, but that doesn't mean I believe there's widespread fraud.
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #711 on: December 04, 2020, 12:18:50 PM »
Filling a mail in ballot takes a lot less effort, and much easier for volunteers to help with than obtaining an ID. I happen to support a voter ID requirement, but that doesn't mean I believe there's widespread fraud.
The "volunteers" "help" may be part of the fraud. See ballot harvesting.
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #712 on: December 04, 2020, 12:28:41 PM »
Is there anyway to check if Georgia had one of those infamous spikes around that time?

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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #713 on: December 04, 2020, 12:29:18 PM »
For all you suitcase guys. I didn't watch this or the original video being discussed.

https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1334875173430804480
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #714 on: December 04, 2020, 12:30:02 PM »
The "volunteers" "help" may be part of the fraud. See ballot harvesting.
... and may not be.
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #715 on: December 04, 2020, 12:32:26 PM »
... and may not be.
True. Let's investigate it. But the Ds will stand in the way just like they have in the past.
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #717 on: December 04, 2020, 12:35:54 PM »
True. Let's investigate it. But the Ds will stand in the way just like they have in the past.
I don't know if that's true, but in any case every side protests investigation that go against their potential votes. That's how the world turns, and why both parties have veto capabilities on election certification.

I shall remind you that Bush beat Gore in 2004 because SCOTUS limited the FL recount. The margin ended up at a bit more than 500 votes, and if they would've recount all votes, it's quite possible Gore would've won.

I guess you don't like transparency when it doesn't suit you.
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #718 on: December 04, 2020, 12:46:54 PM »
I don't know if that's true, but in any case every side protests investigation that go against their potential votes. That's how the world turns, and why both parties have veto capabilities on election certification.

The FL votes were independently investigated numerous times afterwards with the result remaining the same.
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Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
« Reply #719 on: December 04, 2020, 12:49:13 PM »
The FL votes were independently investigated numerous times afterwards with the result remaining the same.
But were Republicans blocking investigations and transparency at the time?
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