***Biden wins presidency-Boy are we toast***

[CountValentine]

What are you basing this on?

Are you saying it wasn't?
We can argue that point but there is going to be no argument to the second part.

[aygart]

Are you saying it wasn't?
We can argue that point but there is going to be no argument to the second part.

You feel it is stronger now than during the cold War? Why?

[avromie7]

Are you saying it wasn't?
We can argue that point but there is going to be no argument to the second part.

This just shows that Trump was on target, but the rest of the world ignored him until they had a rude awakening. Although they want peace, not everyone is on board and they need to be ready to defend against it.

[CountValentine]

This just shows that Trump was on target,

ROFLMAO
I guess you are not talking about withholding military aid from Ukraine for political reasons?

[CountValentine]

You feel it is stronger now than during the cold War? Why?

One reason is just the pure number of members now. IIRC it started with 12?

[aygart]

One reason is just the pure number of members now. IIRC it started with 12?

Numbers only help if their contribution is meaningful and not if they are mainly beneficiaries speeding resources thin.

[CountValentine]

Can you imagine the reaction from the right if Biden enacted these strongest sanctions in history a couple of weeks ago?

Can I have another slice of toast, please? 

[avromie7]

ROFLMAO
I guess you are not talking about withholding military aid from Ukraine for political reasons?

I don't recall seeing anything about that in the post I was relying to, but wasn't it Biden who threatened to withhold $1B if the prosecutor investigating his son wasn't fired?

[CountValentine]

Numbers only help if their contribution is meaningful and not if they are mainly beneficiaries speeding resources thin.

IMHO Ukraine would have never been attacked if they were part of NATO. Strength in numbers!!!
You disagree?

[CountValentine]

I don't recall see anything about that in the post I was relying to, but wasn't it Biden who threatened to withhold $1B if the prosecutor investigating his son wasn't fired?

That is your take on it. IIRC it was to get rid of a corrupt prosecutor.

[aygart]

IMHO Ukraine would have never been attacked if they were part of NATO. Strength in numbers!!!
You disagree?

It must likely would have protected Ukraine but that would be because they would have been a beneficiary and doesn't show strength of the alliance overall.

[aygart]

That is your take on it. IIRC it was to get rid of a corrupt prosecutor.

That was definitely the claim they made

[zh cohen]

ROFLMAO
I guess you are not talking about withholding military aid from Ukraine for political reasons?

That's your take on it. IIRC it was to determine whether the new government was corrupt before sending them money.

[CountValentine]

That's your take on it. IIRC it was to determine whether the new government was corrupt before sending them money.

I am going by the phone call where he asked for a favor from Ukraine. 

[zh cohen]

I am going by the phone call where he asked for a favor from Ukraine. 

I'm going by the fact that corruption is rampant in that part of the world.

[CountValentine]

I'm going by the fact that corruption is rampant in that part of the world.

Difference between what could happen and what did happen.

[zh cohen]

Difference between what could happen and what did happen.

Same here -

IIRC it was to get rid of a corrupt prosecutor.

[CountValentine]

Same here -

Please, a link to a document or phone call that backs that up.

Wait I think I miss read that. You are agreeing that what happen was to get rid of a corrupt prosecutor?

[zh cohen]

Please, a link to a document or phone call that backs that up.

Wait I think I miss read that. You are agreeing that what happen was to get rid of a corrupt prosecutor?

Facts:
Biden threatened to withhold aid.
Trump delayed aid.

These facts are undisputed. The question is what the motivation for their actions was. You accept the Democrat explanation for both, others disagree.

[CountValentine]

Facts:
Biden threatened to withhold aid.
Trump delayed aid.

These facts are undisputed. The question is what the motivation for their actions was. You accept the Democrat explanation for both, others disagree.

I don't accept anything. I look at facts and you left out the fact the scumbag asked for a favor on the phone call. Did Biden ask for any favors?