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Re: ***Biden wins presidency-Boy are we toast***
« Reply #90 on: January 28, 2021, 12:57:53 PM »
How does that help the 11,000 pipeline workers who had their jobs taken away from them by Joe Biden?
The same way car factories and the resultant economic growth eventually found jobs for the drivers of horses and buggies.


Without getting involved in the MANY mistaken premises behind this, what is your point? Therefore?

That Kerry was right to suggest the jobs lost by the pipeline cancellation will pale in comparison to the jobs created by spending trillions on the development of alternative energy, and you were wrong to say those jobs will be in China.

Could you imagine the amount of pollution those factories  will release into the air?  I wish they made them in China.
Funny point but to be pedant, the ozone is affected by pollution the same way whether it is in Texas or China.
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Re: ***Biden wins presidency-Boy are we toast***
« Reply #91 on: January 28, 2021, 01:14:06 PM »
That Kerry was right to suggest the jobs lost by the pipeline cancellation will pale in comparison to the jobs created by spending trillions on the development of alternative energy, and you were wrong to say those jobs will be in China.

How does a factory of 5000 workers that may have been opened either way make the cancelation of 10,000 jobs be paled? Are you including other companies too? Did you include other fossil companies where jobs will be lost? Companies which may shut down due to the higher cost of renewable energy? Either you include all or you compare one to one. Where did I say all will be in China?
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Re: ***Biden wins presidency-Boy are we toast***
« Reply #92 on: January 28, 2021, 01:21:24 PM »
How does a factory of 5000 workers that may have been opened either way make the cancelation of 10,000 jobs be paled? Are you including other companies too? Did you include other fossil companies where jobs will be lost? Companies which may shut down due to the higher cost of renewable energy? Either you include all or you compare one to one. Where did I say all will be in China?
Renewable energy (after development) cost less than fossil fuels.

Yes, you brought 11,000 job, and I brought 5000 jobs, so it technically you're still right that 6000 jobs are lost, but the point is like the 5000 created, many more will be created. Agree with that or not, I brought an example, not evidence.
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Re: ***Biden wins presidency-Boy are we toast***
« Reply #93 on: January 28, 2021, 01:24:47 PM »
Renewable energy (after development) cost less than fossil fuels.

Yes, you brought 11,000 job, and I brought 5000 jobs, so it technically you're still right that 6000 jobs are lost, but the point is like the 5000 created, many more will be created. Agree with that or not, I brought an example, not evidence.
SOME renewable energy after all development cost less than fossil after all development, but taking development, manufacturing, installation, and materials out of the equation is like taking the cost of commodity out of the equation for fossils. Others cost more even after development.
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Re: ***Biden wins presidency-Boy are we toast***
« Reply #94 on: January 28, 2021, 01:29:36 PM »
SOME renewable energy after all development cost less than fossil after all development, but taking development, manufacturing, installation, and materials out of the equation is like taking the cost of commodity out of the equation for fossils. Others cost more even after development.
The difference is we are printing money for stimulus spending now anyways, so development costs are to a large extent coming out of thin air.

$1T spent build renewable energy will create a lot more jobs than $1T in individual checks, much of which accomplishes nothing by staying in peoples savings.
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Re: ***Biden wins presidency-Boy are we toast***
« Reply #95 on: January 28, 2021, 01:37:49 PM »
$1T spent build renewable energy will create a lot more jobs than $1T in individual checks, much of which accomplishes nothing by staying in peoples savings.
The Obama stimulus has shown otherwise about this specific item.
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Re: ***Biden wins presidency-Boy are we toast***
« Reply #96 on: January 28, 2021, 07:10:46 PM »
The same way car factories and the resultant economic growth eventually found jobs for the drivers of horses and buggies.

If you are right about renewable energy then these jobs will gradually fade out. Biden unilaterally making these jobs illegal does nothing* to create more green jobs.

*Unless his goal is to raise energy prices so that the more expensive "green" energy becomes viable.

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Re: ***Biden wins presidency-Boy are we toast***
« Reply #97 on: January 28, 2021, 07:16:24 PM »
If you are right about renewable energy then these jobs will gradually fade out. Biden unilaterally making these jobs illegal does nothing* to create more green jobs.

*Unless his goal is to raise energy prices so that the more expensive "green" energy becomes viable.
Closing one source of energy (pipeline) will automatically create more demand for the competition and thus more jobs at the competition.

Separately, green energy laws can also necessitate more labor for the competition, especially so if major new infrastructure development is required.
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Re: ***Biden wins presidency-Boy are we toast***
« Reply #98 on: January 28, 2021, 08:04:21 PM »
Closing one source of energy (pipeline) will automatically create more demand for the competition and thus more jobs at the competition.

Separately, green energy laws can also necessitate more labor for the competition, especially so if major new infrastructure development is required.

Again, if green energy was actually cheaper and better, then Joe Biden wouldn't have to sign an executive order to put these people out of work. It would happen on its own by people moving organically to what works best for them.

No-one had to outlaw horses in order to create Auto manufacturing jobs

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Re: ***Biden wins presidency-Boy are we toast***
« Reply #99 on: January 28, 2021, 08:15:11 PM »
Again, if green energy was actually cheaper and better, then Joe Biden wouldn't have to sign an executive order to put these people out of work. It would happen on its own by people moving organically to what works best for them.

No-one had to outlaw horses in order to create Auto manufacturing jobs

There is no free market involved. The Keystone Pipeline was being financed by the Canadian (Alebrta) Government, and alternative energy will be subsidized by the US Government. America First.
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Re: ***Biden wins presidency-Boy are we toast***
« Reply #100 on: January 28, 2021, 08:22:33 PM »
There is no free market involved. The Keystone Pipeline was being financed by the Canadian (Alebrta) Government, and alternative energy will be subsidized by the US Government. America First.

Why can't we have both? And why can't America put Alberta out of business by being better, rather than by government coersion?

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Re: ***Biden wins presidency-Boy are we toast***
« Reply #101 on: January 28, 2021, 09:05:46 PM »
Why can't we have both? And why can't America put Alberta out of business by being better, rather than by government coersion?
It will take too long for alternative energy development to drive Albertas resources out of business, but that is the intention ultimately. How do you expect the US private market to compete with the Canadian government that has monetary creating capability?

Stopping the pipeline is about sacrificing a few thousand short terms jobs for (voters belief it is) harming the planet. The jobs will by definition find their way at the competition, and aren't really part of the equation. Imagine a hospital is killing patents. The government shuts it, then the patients, doctors, and nurses will eventually end up at a better hospital and everybody is better off. It's really a no-brainer when you take the politics out of it.

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Re: ***Biden wins presidency-Boy are we toast***
« Reply #102 on: January 28, 2021, 11:20:11 PM »
It will take too long for alternative energy development to drive Albertas resources out of business, but that is the intention ultimately. How do you expect the US private market to compete with the Canadian government that has monetary creating capability?

Stopping the pipeline is about sacrificing a few thousand short terms jobs for (voters belief it is) harming the planet. The jobs will by definition find their way at the competition, and aren't really part of the equation. Imagine a hospital is killing patents. The government shuts it, then the patients, doctors, and nurses will eventually end up at a better hospital and everybody is better off. It's really a no-brainer when you take the politics out of it.

The point is that the new jobs have nothing to do with cutting the pipeline jobs. Democrats are not willing to admit that they don't care about these people's jobs, so they sell a story about (unrelated) increase in jobs.

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Re: ***Biden wins presidency-Boy are we toast***
« Reply #103 on: January 28, 2021, 11:38:29 PM »
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Re: ***Biden wins presidency-Boy are we toast***
« Reply #104 on: January 29, 2021, 01:23:24 AM »
The point is that the new jobs have nothing to do with cutting the pipeline jobs. Democrats are not willing to admit that they don't care about these people's jobs, so they sell a story about (unrelated) increase in jobs.

You seriously think the GOP cares about these people jobs more than the DNC?

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