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Re: Republicans breaking with Trump's coup attempt
« Reply #140 on: January 08, 2021, 02:13:28 AM »
https://twitter.com/repkinzinger/status/1346900490999762951?s=21

Is a Republican Congressman enough or do we need Donald Trump himself?
Being poorly coordinated & doomed to failure doesn’t change it from being a coup. There were bombs there. They weren’t all that far from blowing up the entire US Legislative body
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Re: Republicans breaking with Trump's coup attempt
« Reply #142 on: January 08, 2021, 02:25:51 AM »
https://twitter.com/repkinzinger/status/1346900490999762951?s=21

Is a Republican Congressman enough or do we need Donald Trump himself?
Being poorly coordinated & doomed to failure doesn’t change it from being a coup. There were bombs there. They weren’t all that far from blowing up the entire US Legislative body

When every BLM mostly peaceful protest is labeled a coup then you might have a point. An easily quashable protest without a leader is not a coup. Read up on any coup or attempted coup in history so you can untwist the pretzel you forced yourself into calling this a coup. Or you can just open a dictionary. Your feelings and quoted rhetoric don’t change the facts. It’s the same old  thug violence we witnessed all year long.
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Re: Republicans breaking with Trump's coup attempt
« Reply #143 on: January 08, 2021, 02:48:59 AM »
When every BLM mostly peaceful protest is labeled a coup then you might have a point. An easily quashable protest without a leader is not a coup. Read up on any coup or attempted coup in history so you can untwist the pretzel you forced yourself into calling this a coup. Or you can just open a dictionary. Your feelings and quoted rhetoric don’t change the facts. It’s the same old  thug violence we witnessed all year long.
You’re the one who twisted yourself into a pretzel that Trump’s attempts were benign and are gasping at every defense even while most of the Republican Party and conservative media already broke off from him.

What would have happened if Pence & McConnell/Grassley didn’t reconvene Congress in the evening? Do you think Trump didn’t hope they wouldn’t?
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Re: Republicans breaking with Trump's coup attempt
« Reply #144 on: January 08, 2021, 08:52:42 AM »
https://twitter.com/repkinzinger/status/1346900490999762951?s=21

Is a Republican Congressman enough or do we need Donald Trump himself?
Being poorly coordinated & doomed to failure doesn’t change it from being a coup. There were bombs there. They weren’t all that far from blowing up the entire US Legislative body

STOP WITH THE DUMB APPEALS TO AUTHORITY! Especially from people whose only agenda is their political gain. They don't make such stupidity any more true and they don't make your hallucinations real.
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Re: Republicans breaking with Trump's coup attempt
« Reply #145 on: January 08, 2021, 09:40:49 AM »
When every BLM mostly peaceful protest is labeled a coup then you might have a point. An easily quashable protest without a leader is not a coup. Read up on any coup or attempted coup in history so you can untwist the pretzel you forced yourself into calling this a coup. Or you can just open a dictionary. Your feelings and quoted rhetoric don’t change the facts. It’s the same old  thug violence we witnessed all year long.
STOP WITH THE DUMB APPEALS TO AUTHORITY! Especially from people whose only agenda is their political gain. They don't make such stupidity any more true and they don't make your hallucinations real.
How exactly do you chevra who keep insisting it wasn't an attempted coup define a coup?

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Re: Republicans breaking with Trump's coup attempt
« Reply #146 on: January 08, 2021, 10:17:24 AM »
How exactly do you chevra who keep insisting it wasn't an attempted coup define a coup?
First and foremost is to be attempting to seize power. These guys didn't even create an autonomous zone!
no. How are they trying to seize power? Nothing they are doing would give them anything. THey are being a bunch of violent animals and should face the full wrath of the law after Jan 20 so the loser in the WH doesn't pardon them. What should I tell you, I don't take these terms lightly and throw them around to advance my positions.
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Re: Republicans breaking with Trump's coup attempt
« Reply #147 on: January 08, 2021, 10:23:41 AM »
First and foremost is to be attempting to seize power.
Trump didn't pressure Pence & Congress to declare him the winner of the elections? Am I hallucinating?
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Re: Republicans breaking with Trump's coup attempt
« Reply #148 on: January 08, 2021, 10:36:24 AM »
First and foremost is to be attempting to seize power. These guys didn't even create an autonomous zone!
So they were not attempting to seize power (or remove those in power) in any way?

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/01/06/us/washington-dc-protests/an-explosive-device-is-found-at-the-rnc-and-the-dnc-is-evacuated
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/01/06/us/washington-dc-protests/police-in-washington-seize-5-guns-and-arrest-at-least-13-during-violent-capitol-protest

Trump didn't pressure Pence & Congress to declare him the winner of the elections? Am I hallucinating?
You could actually argue that Trumps other actions were not a coup per se, because he is currently in power and attempting to maintain that power. But 'storming' the Capitol fits the definition of attempted coup IMO.

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Re: Republicans breaking with Trump's coup attempt
« Reply #149 on: January 08, 2021, 10:40:14 AM »
Just open a dictionary.
1. a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government.
This was a failed coup attempt.

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Re: Republicans breaking with Trump's coup attempt
« Reply #150 on: January 08, 2021, 10:41:05 AM »
You could actually argue that Trumps other actions were not a coup per se, because he is currently in power and attempting to maintain that power.

If that's the argument, at least you wouldn't call me delusional  :). I'd argue back that being in power now doesn't preclude one from a coup to seize future power not currently vested, or even just the power to certify/define election results.

1. a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government.
This was a failed coup attempt.
Thanks, guess my position is getting more popular these days.
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Re: Republicans breaking with Trump's coup attempt
« Reply #151 on: January 08, 2021, 10:56:34 AM »
Trump didn't pressure Pence & Congress to declare him the winner of the elections? Am I hallucinating?
Nope he said to send it back to the states. Do you really want me to answer the second question?
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Re: Republicans breaking with Trump's coup attempt
« Reply #152 on: January 08, 2021, 10:58:22 AM »
So they were not attempting to seize power (or remove those in power) in any way?

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/01/06/us/washington-dc-protests/an-explosive-device-is-found-at-the-rnc-and-the-dnc-is-evacuated
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/01/06/us/washington-dc-protests/police-in-washington-seize-5-guns-and-arrest-at-least-13-during-violent-capitol-protest
You could actually argue that Trumps other actions were not a coup per se, because he is currently in power and attempting to maintain that power. But 'storming' the Capitol fits the definition of attempted coup IMO.

I am not sure what there makes you think they were trying to seize power. The simple presence f guns or incendiary devices does not show that at all any more than it did at BLM protests. Their intent was to interrupt. That is criminal, but not a coup. Is there any evidence of an attempt to stay there or to do their dumb criminal animalistic damage and leave now that they made whatever stupid point they were trying to make? I am not sure what that point was.
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Re: Republicans breaking with Trump's coup attempt
« Reply #153 on: January 08, 2021, 11:05:45 AM »
How exactly do you chevra who keep insisting it wasn't an attempted coup define a coup?
Had it been a coup attempt there would have been a bloodbath on both sides.

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Re: Republicans breaking with Trump's coup attempt
« Reply #154 on: January 08, 2021, 11:07:59 AM »
Question for all you guys saying that this was a coup attempt-What do you call a group who attempt to forcefully keep all elected government and law enforcement out of an area in order to rule it by their own version of government?
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Re: Republicans breaking with Trump's coup attempt
« Reply #155 on: January 08, 2021, 11:09:42 AM »
1. a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government.
This was a failed coup attempt.
What made it fail? How was it "put down"?
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Re: Republicans breaking with Trump's coup attempt
« Reply #156 on: January 08, 2021, 11:09:54 AM »
I am not sure what there makes you think they were trying to seize power. The simple presence f guns or incendiary devices does not show that at all any more than it did at BLM protests.
Oof that's some brutal strawman action right there. And besides, no one brought a gun into the Capitol at BLM protests!!!!! And I'm not defending guns at BLM protests (or anything about BLM protests), but it's irrelevant. A protest on the street where some had guns can't be construed as an attempt to seize power. In the Capitol - attempting to get close to members of the legislature - on the other hand is a whole different beast. And I love how you used the phrase incendiary devices to try to cast a wide net. They were pipe bombs! Planted at the committee headquarters of our country's 2 major parties!!!!

You're really burying your head in the sand here. Go take a few minutes to read up on this stuff. There's a pic of a guy in on of the chambers holding a bunch of ziptie style cuffs. This was all 'coordinated' on right wing social media. You can read all about their intentions there.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/us/politics/protesters-storm-capitol-hill-building.html
And if you don't believe mainstream reporting, go check out reddit subs like parlerwatch where people monitor this stuff and archive what's being said there.

Had it been a coup attempt there would have been a bloodbath on both sides.
Their incompetence and the Capitol police's apathy did that. That doesn't mean it wasn't a coup. If they'd laid eyes on Pelosi, Schumer, the squad - heck possibly even Pence with some of the rhetoric out there - it might've been a different story. And when they bumped into the secret service, there was blood.

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Re: Republicans breaking with Trump's coup attempt
« Reply #157 on: January 08, 2021, 11:13:55 AM »
Question for all you guys saying that this was a coup attempt-What do you call a group who attempt to forcefully keep all elected government and law enforcement out of an area in order to rule it by their own version of government?
A rebellion and coup of that area.

Nope he said to send it back to the states.
And pressured the states legislatures to nominate him President, and State executive officials to illegally modify vote tallies
Had it been a coup attempt there would have been a bloodbath on both sides.
Coup attempt isn't defined by it's success or lack thereof.

What made it fail? How was it "put down"?
FBI and National Guard. Yes it was that close. Imagine the delay in approving the National Guard would have been 10 hours instead of 2 hours?

If Trump administration officials didn't approve Federal intervention, Congress wouldn't have been able to vote and Biden wouldn't have been President. Luckily they buckled quickly.
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Re: Republicans breaking with Trump's coup attempt
« Reply #158 on: January 08, 2021, 11:19:31 AM »
Oof that's some brutal strawman action right there. And besides, no one brought a gun into the Capitol at BLM protests!!!!! And I'm not defending guns at BLM protests (or anything about BLM protests), but it's irrelevant. A protest on the street where some had guns can't be construed as an attempt to seize power. In the Capitol - attempting to get close to members of the legislature - on the other hand is a whole different beast. And I love how you used the phrase incendiary devices to try to cast a wide net. They were pipe bombs! Planted at the committee headquarters of our country's 2 major parties!!!!

You're really burying your head in the sand here. Go take a few minutes to read up on this stuff. There's a pic of a guy in on of the chambers holding a bunch of ziptie style cuffs. This was all 'coordinated' on right wing social media. You can read all about their intentions there.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/us/politics/protesters-storm-capitol-hill-building.html
And if you don't believe mainstream reporting, go check out reddit subs like parlerwatch where people monitor this stuff and archive what's being said there.
Their incompetence and the Capitol police's apathy did that. That doesn't mean it wasn't a coup. If they'd laid eyes on Pelosi, Schumer, the squad - heck possibly even Pence with some of the rhetoric out there - it might've been a different story. And when they bumped into the secret service, there was blood.
How many shots were fired by protesters with all their big guns ?

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Re: Republicans breaking with Trump's coup attempt
« Reply #159 on: January 08, 2021, 11:20:18 AM »
Oof that's some brutal strawman action right there. And besides, no one brought a gun into the Capitol at BLM protests!!!!! And I'm not defending guns at BLM protests (or anything about BLM protests), but it's irrelevant. A protest on the street where some had guns can't be construed as an attempt to seize power. In the Capitol - attempting to get close to members of the legislature - on the other hand is a whole different beast. And I love how you used the phrase incendiary devices to try to cast a wide net. They were pipe bombs! Planted at the committee headquarters of our country's 2 major parties!!!!

You're really burying your head in the sand here. Go take a few minutes to read up on this stuff. There's a pic of a guy in on of the chambers holding a bunch of ziptie style cuffs. This was all 'coordinated' on right wing social media. You can read all about their intentions there.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/us/politics/protesters-storm-capitol-hill-building.html
And if you don't believe mainstream reporting, go check out reddit subs like parlerwatch where people monitor this stuff and archive what's being said there.
Their incompetence and the Capitol police's apathy did that. That doesn't mean it wasn't a coup. If they'd laid eyes on Pelosi, Schumer, the squad - heck possibly even Pence with some of the rhetoric out there - it might've been a different story. And when they bumped into the secret service, there was blood.
Yeah it was a riot. Nothing you posted shows any attempt at seizing power.
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