Satmar Wedding 7,000 people during covid

[iluv2travel]

back on topic:
wait, so we're supposed to not feed the haters, but feeding mos(t)er is fine?

Who was feeding which haters? You probably misunderstood just like most of us .

[yesitsme]

Joke of the day
The media accomplished to do what many wouldn't believe....
The chasuna that was supposed to take place on Rodney took place on Hooper

[iluv2travel]

A guy robs 100 banks. Someone rats him out. The issue is someone ratted him out and not that he robbed 100 banks. You can't make this stuff up.

This isn't quite the right comparison. Sorry. Perhaps someone can better explain it than I did.

[CountValentine]

This isn't quite the right comparison. Sorry. Perhaps someone can better explain it than I did.

Murdered 100 people would be better? 

[yungermanchik]

Murdered 100 people would be better? 

Fed 100 people high-fructose corn syrup.

[Lurker]

Thanks for being the Nachshon.

Nice try, but it's still missing oomph. They limit Chassidim's weddings to a maximum number of guests, too. It's not just the food. You just don't need thousands of people by every wedding.  It's extravagant by virtue of the number of people. If they truly want their Chassidim to actually make toned down, simpler weddings then they should lead by example. It doesn't matter if they have a reason to be exempt. A takana with exceptions is not a takana.

The Rebbe belongs to the chassidim, and therefore the Rebbe's simcha is not a personal one, but a communal one. Therefore, the wedding isn't a "wedding" per se, but is to be celebrated more in line with other yomei d'pagra, as a community event.

(Way outta my league here. Just taking shots in the dark.)

[iluv2travel]

The Rebbe belongs to the chassidim, and therefore the Rebbe's simcha is not a personal one, but a communal one. Therefore, the wedding isn't a "wedding" per se, but is to be celebrated more in line with other yomei d'pagra, as a community event.

(Way outta my league here. Just taking shots in the dark.)

But you hit a bullseye anyway  .

Great job.

[iluv2travel]

Murdered 100 people would be better? 

Lol. Not exactly.

Stealing and murder are illegal and immoral from the time of creation and will be until infinity. Not so hosting a large wedding.

Having a large wedding was not illegal until Czar Cuomo decided it is. And it was not immoral until a pandemic happened. Remove those 2 (Cuomo and pandemic) and we wouldn't be having this discussion.   And I'm not arguing here if what they did was right or wrong right now. Just telling you why its not like stealing or murdering.

[Lurker]

Lol. Not exactly.

Stealing and murder are illegal and immoral from the time of creation and will be until infinity. Not so hosting a large wedding.

Having a large wedding was not illegal until Czar Cuomo decided it is. And it was not immoral until a pandemic happened. Remove those 2 (Cuomo and pandemic) and we wouldn't be having this discussion.   And I'm not arguing here if what they did was right or wrong right now. Just telling you why its not like stealing or murdering.

Is it murder during a war, or in self-defense? How much of Torah is dedicated to figuring out what stealing really is, depending on the circumstances? Context is everything.

[Shaya E]

A guy robs 100 banks. Someone rats him out. The issue is someone ratted him out and not that he robbed 100 banks. You can't make this stuff up.

While I happen to totally agree with you, your analogy isn't a good one. The disdain for Moster is due to the fact that he was originally part of the community. A more accurate analogy would be if the bank robber's brother rats him out.

[drosenberg88429]

Murdered 100 people would be better? 

That's akin to crying rape about two consensual adults engaging in relations. At worst, it's possibly statuatory rape between an 18 year old and a 17 year old technically legally not allowed to consent in some states, but fully aware and capable of consenting.

[CountValentine]

While I happen to totally agree with you, your analogy isn't a good one. The disdain for Moster is due to the fact that he was originally part of the community. A more accurate analogy would be if the bank robber's brother rats him out.

I am fine with you edit. Still doesn't change anything.

[Shaya E]

While I happen to totally agree with you, your analogy isn't a good one. The disdain for Moster is due to the fact that he was originally part of the community. A more accurate analogy would be if the bank robber's brother rats him out.

Especially because the feeling people get is that he's ratting them out due to a personal vendetta and not because of any COVID related concerns.

[CountValentine]

That's akin to crying rape about two consensual adults engaging in relations. At worst, it's possibly statuatory rape between an 18 year old and a 17 year old technically legally not allowed to consent in some states, but fully aware and capable of consenting.

Going to have switch pretzels for this one. Right now I am eating Snyder"s pretzel rods.

[Lurker]

Especially because the feeling people get is that he's ratting them out due to a personal vendetta and not because of any COVID related concerns.

The point still stands. That Moster is relevant at all in this story is embarrassing.

[yelped]

It's more of an event for the chassidus, rather than just a wedding. In their eyes, it would be like limiting the amount of people in shul for simchas Torah. Additionally, it doesn't create any pressure for those who aren't rebbe's.

Better, still not fully satisfied, though.

In addition, and this may be hard to understand for non chassidim, this event is one of their only outlets of entertainment. (Even without Covid) most chasidim don't attend sporting events or movies. So these weddings something they really look forward to and are willing to make an exception for their rebbe.

I'm not justifying anything, only trying my best to explain. And having seen this argument play out elsewhere I know there will still be some or even many who begrudge these large scale weddings and I understand that.

I get that.

The Rebbe belongs to the chassidim, and therefore the Rebbe's simcha is not a personal one, but a communal one. Therefore, the wedding isn't a "wedding" per se, but is to be celebrated more in line with other yomei d'pagra, as a community event.

(Way outta my league here. Just taking shots in the dark.)

Yeah, ok. Somehow most Chassidim themselves seem to think of it as a Rebbella wanting to feel good about making a "good" shidduch. I guess it has *potential* to be a community event, but that depends on how *real* the Rebbe is.

[CountValentine]

Especially because the feeling people get is that he's ratting them out due to a personal vendetta and not because of any COVID related concerns.

Why he ratted them out does not matter. The egregious ( HT @Dan ) behavior is the issue.

[Lurker]

Yeah, ok. Somehow most Chassidim themselves seem to think of it as a Rebbella wanting to feel good about making a "good" shidduch. I guess it has *potential* to be a community event, but that depends on how *real* the Rebbe is.

If there's a question about how "real" the Rebbe is, then weddings aren't your issue here....

[Shaya E]

I am fine with you edit. Still doesn't change anything.

While none of us would ever condone robbing banks we would probably disdain someone that rats out his brother for personal reasons. Calling out the brother in no way implies the bank robbery was ok. There are some on this thread that are more bothered by one of these acts than the other.

[Shaya E]

I'm personally more bothered by the actual wedding. Just explaining what's being said.