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Re: The Pfizer Vaccine and do people who had COVID already need the vaccine?
« Reply #135 on: January 26, 2021, 04:04:00 PM »
Israeli MoH publishes new guidelines that allow vaccinating kids under 16 in cases with severe risk factors



ETA: Every child requires an individual authorization sign off from the MoH committee chairman.
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Re: The Pfizer Vaccine and do people who had COVID already need the vaccine?
« Reply #136 on: January 26, 2021, 05:04:40 PM »
ETA: Every child requires an individual authorization sign off from the MoH committee chairman.

Thats because:
1. Theyre at risk and it could be extra dangerous for them
2. The vaccine wasnt proven safe in children in clinical trials

P.s. This is a bit of a tangent from the thread topic, typical for DDF

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Re: The Pfizer Vaccine and do people who had COVID already need the vaccine?
« Reply #137 on: January 26, 2021, 05:06:58 PM »
P.s. This is a bit of a tangent from the thread topic, typical for DDF
I read the thread title to encompass general elements of the Pfizer Vaccine, as opposed to the others that are focus on the timeline and Israel
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Re: The Pfizer Vaccine and do people who had COVID already need the vaccine?
« Reply #138 on: January 26, 2021, 05:20:20 PM »
I read the thread title to encompass general elements of the Pfizer Vaccine, as opposed to the others that are focus on the timeline and Israel

And I read it to a narrower focus asking/discussing whether those who recovered from an infection need to get vaccinated

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Re: The Pfizer Vaccine and do people who had COVID already need the vaccine?
« Reply #139 on: January 31, 2021, 12:07:13 PM »
It appears R Yitzchok Scheiner got the first dose of the Pfizer vaccine more than 2 weeks ago.

My cousin got COVID just after getting his second dose, although it seems he was exposed around a week after his first dose.

R Mendel Slomowitz currently has COVID, around 2.5 weeks after his first dose (I think Moderna).
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Re: The Pfizer Vaccine and do people who had COVID already need the vaccine?
« Reply #140 on: January 31, 2021, 12:08:47 PM »
It appears R Yitzchok Scheiner got the first dose of the Pfizer vaccine more than 2 weeks ago.
We already know it's not effective right away.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: The Pfizer Vaccine and do people who had COVID already need the vaccine?
« Reply #141 on: January 31, 2021, 12:09:47 PM »
We already know it's not effective right away.
Im aware, just posting the DP. Many people seem to incorrectly believe that the first dose offers near instant protection, which it may to some extent, but not much.
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Re: The Pfizer Vaccine and do people who had COVID already need the vaccine?
« Reply #142 on: January 31, 2021, 12:12:51 PM »
It appears R Yitzchok Scheiner got the first dose of the Pfizer vaccine more than 2 weeks ago.

My cousin got COVID just after getting his second dose, although it seems he was exposed around a week after his first dose.

R Mendel Slomowitz currently has COVID, around 2.5 weeks after his first dose (I think Moderna).
I wonder if the symptoms slowed it down causing symptoms to only appear weeks later.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: The Pfizer Vaccine and do people who had COVID already need the vaccine?
« Reply #143 on: January 31, 2021, 12:17:17 PM »
I wonder if the symptoms slowed it down causing symptoms to only appear weeks later.
Along those lines, Israel has a higher proportion of asymptomatic carriers (vs symptomatic) amongst people vaccinated (they have good data because all exposures are incentivized to test for a shorter quarantine), which means by virtue of not displaying symptoms they may be spreading it more than if they weren't vaccinated
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Re: The Pfizer Vaccine and do people who had COVID already need the vaccine?
« Reply #144 on: January 31, 2021, 12:37:25 PM »
Along those lines, Israel has a higher proportion of asymptomatic carriers (vs symptomatic) amongst people vaccinated (they have good data because all exposures are incentivized to test for a shorter quarantine), which means by virtue of not displaying symptoms they may be spreading it more than if they weren't vaccinated
Unless they're less likely to be spreaders due to lower viral load.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: The Pfizer Vaccine and do people who had COVID already need the vaccine?
« Reply #145 on: January 31, 2021, 12:41:02 PM »
Unless they're less likely to be spreaders due to lower viral load.
Correct. We dont know yet
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Re: The Pfizer Vaccine and do people who had COVID already need the vaccine?
« Reply #146 on: January 31, 2021, 01:32:46 PM »
Just looking at the data published by Moderna and Pfizer doesnt it appear that the 1st dose takes effect some time earlier than the official day 14 mark causing infection rates to drop  at that point? Exposure to the virus would have to have occurred 2-14 days earlier, meaning the 14 day wait is misleading- it really kicks in 2-12 days after the first dose. Am I wrong?
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Re: The Pfizer Vaccine and do people who had COVID already need the vaccine?
« Reply #147 on: January 31, 2021, 01:43:51 PM »
Just looking at the data published by Moderna and Pfizer doesnt it appear that the 1st dose takes effect some time earlier than the official day 14 mark causing infection rates to drop  at that point? Exposure to the virus would have to have occurred 2-14 days earlier, meaning the 14 day wait is misleading- it really kicks in 2-12 days after the first dose. Am I wrong?

We don't know that vaccine impact is only at preventing infection at the exposure point.

We know the vaccine prevents severe symptoms even if it fails to prevent the original infection.

I think it follows that even if the vaccine only starts working after the original infection it can still prevent some of the symptoms, which can also mean vaccine is effective against reactivations and the reinfection v reactivation arguments are moot.
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Re: The Pfizer Vaccine and do people who had COVID already need the vaccine?
« Reply #148 on: January 31, 2021, 01:47:55 PM »
We don't know that vaccine impact is only at preventing infection at the exposure point.

We know the vaccine prevents severe symptoms even if it fails to prevent the original infection.

I think it follows that even if the vaccine only starts working after the original infection it can still prevent some of the symptoms, which can also mean vaccine is effective against reactivations and the reinfection v reactivation arguments are moot.
That can also be explained by it reducing viral load at time of infection even if it doesnt prevent infection entirely, but your point is fair.
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Re: The Pfizer Vaccine and do people who had COVID already need the vaccine?
« Reply #149 on: January 31, 2021, 01:54:11 PM »
That can also be explained by it reducing viral load at time of infection even if it doesnt prevent infection entirely
Correct
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