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Re: The Pfizer Vaccine and do people who had COVID already need the vaccine?
« Reply #30 on: December 09, 2020, 07:12:08 AM »
NYS will only be using The Pfizer vaccine
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Re: The Pfizer Vaccine and do people who had COVID already need the vaccine?
« Reply #31 on: December 09, 2020, 10:26:35 AM »
According to current data one dose is 82% effective and two doses are 95%.
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Re: The Pfizer Vaccine and do people who had COVID already need the vaccine?
« Reply #32 on: December 09, 2020, 10:32:44 AM »
According to current data one dose is 82% effective and two doses are 95%.

At 82%, I'd be skipping the second dose and doubling the number of people getting vaccinated. But what do I know...
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Re: The Pfizer Vaccine and do people who had COVID already need the vaccine?
« Reply #34 on: December 09, 2020, 10:49:32 AM »
At 82%, I'd be skipping the second dose and doubling the number of people getting vaccinated. But what do I know...
OTOH, at some point you would want to go back and boost the immunity of healthcare workers and high risk people. If at that time you need another 2 doses it would be less efficient to do it that way.
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Re: The Pfizer Vaccine and do people who had COVID already need the vaccine?
« Reply #35 on: December 09, 2020, 10:56:34 AM »
OTOH, at some point you would want to go back and boost the immunity of healthcare workers and high risk people. If at that time you need another 2 doses it would be less efficient to do it that way.

IMO, it's not about long term efficiency. It's about shutting this thing down as quickly as possible, and then dealing with producing more as needed. The second dose isn't needed for at least 3 months. If we can double that timeframe to 6 months and double the amount of people who get vaccinated by summer, I think that completely changes the game, even if we have give people 2 more doses.
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Re: The Pfizer Vaccine and do people who had COVID already need the vaccine?
« Reply #36 on: December 09, 2020, 10:57:54 AM »
IMO, it's not about long term efficiency. It's about shutting this thing down as quickly as possible, and then dealing with producing more as needed. The second dose isn't needed for at least 3 months. If we can double that timeframe to 6 months and double the amount of people who get vaccinated by summer, I think that completely changes the game, even if we have give people 2 more doses.
And then the big bad pharma lobbyists can sell so many extra doses of the vaccine and plant more chips into everyone. So much more autisming!
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Re: The Pfizer Vaccine and do people who had COVID already need the vaccine?
« Reply #37 on: December 09, 2020, 11:01:10 AM »
According to current data one dose is 82% effective and two doses are 95%.

Where did you see the 82% figure? I've been reading 52%, which is obviously a significant gap and would explain why Lurker's suggestion may not be sufficiently effective. The NYT reported 52% directly from Pfizer:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/08/health/covid-vaccine-pfizer.html

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Re: The Pfizer Vaccine and do people who had COVID already need the vaccine?
« Reply #38 on: December 09, 2020, 11:06:12 AM »
OTOH, at some point you would want to go back and boost the immunity of healthcare workers and high risk people. If at that time you need another 2 doses it would be less efficient to do it that way.
Not clear even two doses would work at that point
Where did you see the 82% figure? I've been reading 52%, which is obviously a significant gap and would explain why Lurker's suggestion may not be sufficiently effective. The NYT reported 52% directly from Pfizer:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/08/health/covid-vaccine-pfizer.html
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Re: The Pfizer Vaccine and do people who had COVID already need the vaccine?
« Reply #39 on: December 09, 2020, 11:39:25 AM »
I'm obviously missing something here. How can it be 82% effective after the first dose, but then only 52% effective between the first and second doses? And if it really is 82% after the first, why wouldn't Pfizer be playing that up instead of telling the NYT that the first dose is only 52% effective?

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Re: The Pfizer Vaccine and do people who had COVID already need the vaccine?
« Reply #40 on: December 09, 2020, 12:19:58 PM »
Not clear even two doses would work at that point
How would that work?
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Re: The Pfizer Vaccine and do people who had COVID already need the vaccine?
« Reply #41 on: December 09, 2020, 12:28:25 PM »
How would that work?
Vector immunity. Im not sure if thats a thing with mRNA though.
Pfizer is downplaying the first dose data because its much less conclusive and the last thing they want is some government deciding to split their vaccines into 2...
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Re: The Pfizer Vaccine and do people who had COVID already need the vaccine?
« Reply #42 on: December 09, 2020, 12:29:50 PM »
I'm obviously missing something here. How can it be 82% effective after the first dose, but then only 52% effective between the first and second doses? And if it really is 82% after the first, why wouldn't Pfizer be playing that up instead of telling the NYT that the first dose is only 52% effective?
The only explanation I can think of is that 82% is after 7-10 days from the dose and 52% is counting from the first day, but it is amazing how many reporters and doctors are repeating data that clearly makes no sense
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Re: The Pfizer Vaccine and do people who had COVID already need the vaccine?
« Reply #43 on: December 09, 2020, 12:32:07 PM »
The only explanation I can think of is that 82% is after 7-10 days from the dose and 52% is counting from the first day, but it is amazing how many reporters and doctors are repeating data that clearly makes no sense

Maybe it progressively drops to 52% at 3 months, which then jumps to 95% with the booster. How long the booster lasts.... Dunno.
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Re: The Pfizer Vaccine and do people who had COVID already need the vaccine?
« Reply #44 on: December 09, 2020, 12:34:56 PM »
Maybe it progressively drops to 52% at 3 months, which then jumps to 95% with the booster. How long the booster lasts.... Dunno.
The trial only lasted 2 months
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