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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #260 on: March 04, 2021, 01:24:44 PM »
Oh no....
Could be a cluster of vaccines damaged when transporting them to this nursing home and hopefully they’re still protected from serious symptoms
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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #261 on: March 04, 2021, 01:27:25 PM »
Could be a cluster of vaccines damaged when transporting them to this nursing home
*PG grasping at straws*
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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #262 on: March 04, 2021, 01:28:16 PM »
hopefully they’re still protected from serious symptoms
Yes, I assume this is the case. But it’s still bad that people are testing positive. Bad for transmission reasons and herd immunity.
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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #263 on: March 04, 2021, 01:30:24 PM »
*PG grasping at straws*

Let’s see what the investigation shows.

Yes, I assume this is the case. But it’s still bad that people are testing positive. Bad for transmission reasons and herd immunity.

Could be it’s only an issue for seniors and transmission still less likely among young vaccinated people.

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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #264 on: March 04, 2021, 01:31:55 PM »
Could be it’s only an issue for seniors and transmission still less likely among young vaccinated people.
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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #265 on: March 04, 2021, 01:38:21 PM »
Still doesn't contradict 95% efficacy.

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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #266 on: March 04, 2021, 01:45:21 PM »
Still doesn't contradict 95% efficacy.

I'm no statistician, but wouldn't it be a statistical impossibility to have a cluster of cases in one specific place be part of 5% of millions?

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What's more likely, an issue with the way these specific vaccines were handled/administered, or an anomaly not replicated anywhere else?
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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #267 on: March 04, 2021, 02:11:57 PM »
I'm no statistician, but wouldn't it be a statistical impossibility to have a cluster of cases in one specific place be part of 5% of millions?

What's more likely, an issue with the way these specific vaccines were handled/administered, or an anomaly not replicated anywhere else?

So you actually are a statistician. It's more likely that the batch of doses in that location were faulty or misadministered. Or that the test results were faulty (also happens in batches). It's also possible that the 12 people who tested positive were all anomalies from the 5% - or that the vaccine bottle was mixed up with the Slivovitz bottle - but neither is materially likely.

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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #268 on: March 04, 2021, 02:16:23 PM »

This is either a testing glitch or a pretty serious problem.

Hopefully they are still protected from serious disease.

It doesn't note anything about being symptomatic.

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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #269 on: March 04, 2021, 02:18:22 PM »

What's more likely, an issue with the way these specific vaccines were handled/administered, or an anomaly not replicated anywhere else?
A variant wouldn’t be such an unlikely anomaly.

Bh all are asymptomatic.
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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #270 on: March 04, 2021, 02:19:58 PM »
Or, the 5% is really 10%, of which old people are really at 25 or 30%. And this person was a real superspreader and instead of 36 infections we have 12 infections. And those infections are asymptomatic. So everything went exactly as planned
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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #271 on: March 04, 2021, 02:21:42 PM »
A variant wouldn’t be such an unlikely anomaly.

Bh all are asymptomatic.
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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #272 on: March 04, 2021, 03:03:45 PM »

Ding ding

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« Reply #273 on: March 04, 2021, 03:15:35 PM »
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Yes, I assume this is the case. But it’s still bad that people are testing positive. Bad for transmission reasons and herd immunity.
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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #274 on: March 04, 2021, 03:58:59 PM »
A variant wouldn’t be such an unlikely anomaly.

Bh all are asymptomatic.

When were they exposed/tested? If it’s recent it’s possible they’ll develop symptoms.
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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #275 on: March 04, 2021, 04:26:06 PM »
When we’re they exposed/tested? If it’s recent it’s possible they’ll develop symptoms.
Valid questions.

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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #279 on: March 07, 2021, 01:25:23 PM »
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