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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #281 on: March 08, 2021, 06:52:37 PM »
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0308-vaccinated-guidelines.html
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated-guidance.html
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated.html

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Sooner or later it will be fully implemented one way or another. The Chinese did it a long time ago. It's only a matter of time before it's implemented elsewhere in one form or another. It's being delayed as it removes a level of control and power from the politicians, but its implementation will keep control and power in their hands for longer, albeit in a modified/reduced manner.
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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #282 on: March 08, 2021, 06:55:12 PM »
Sooner or later it will be fully implemented one way or another. The Chinese did it a long time ago. It's only a matter of time before it's implemented elsewhere in one form or another. It's being delayed as it removes a level of control and power from the politicians, but its implementation will keep control and power in their hands for longer, albeit in a modified/reduced manner.
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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #283 on: March 08, 2021, 07:02:13 PM »
Hmm. Any reason to differentiate between then and now? Let’s try and think.

Incentivizing vaccination = good.
Incentivizing infection = bad.

There, that was easy.
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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #284 on: March 08, 2021, 07:15:59 PM »
CNN's medical analysts say the CDC was far too timid and cautious in its guidance for those fully vaccinated:

https://hotair.com/archives/allahpundit/2021/03/08/cnn-medical-analyst-cdc-guidance-vaccinated-people-overly-timid-far-cautious/

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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #285 on: March 08, 2021, 07:35:31 PM »
Hmm. Any reason to differentiate between then and now? Let’s try and think.

Incentivizing vaccination = good.
Incentivizing infection = bad.

There, that was easy.
Yup I wish they would incentivize vaccines. Instead they are telling everyone that vaccines don't help much anyhow.
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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #286 on: March 08, 2021, 07:55:58 PM »
Yup I wish they would incentivize vaccines. Instead they are telling everyone that vaccines don't help much anyhow.
I personally know someone who pushed it off for this reason. (They eventually got it)

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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #287 on: March 08, 2021, 08:26:23 PM »
I personally know someone who pushed it off for this reason. (They eventually got it)

I helped convince a grandmother in her 70s to vaccinate who was nervous because of this reason along with all the anti vax propaganda she's heard.
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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #288 on: March 08, 2021, 08:31:53 PM »
I helped convince a grandmother in her 70s to vaccinate who was nervous because of this reason along with all the anti vax propaganda she's heard.
I’m never going to understand the train of thought that is “Well if it doesn’t work 100% why would I take it at all?”
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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #289 on: March 08, 2021, 08:40:19 PM »
I’m never going to understand the train of thought that is “Well if it doesn’t work 100% why would I take it at all?”

Poor woman was confused. On one hand she gets inundated with anti vax stuff on whatsapp, this thing is going to kill her like it killed all the other people, and in the other hand, the people that think it will save her from covid still don't think it's all that effective.

The terms rodef and rotzeach have been thrown around a lot in the past year, and usually they make me roll my eyes, but the anti vaxxers convincing elderly, immuno-compromised people not to get the shot deserve to be locked up.
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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #290 on: March 08, 2021, 08:53:49 PM »
Poor woman was confused. On one hand she gets inundated with anti vax stuff on whatsapp, this thing is going to kill her like it killed all the other people, and in the other hand, the people that think it will save her from covid still don't think it's all that effective.

The terms rodef and rotzeach have been thrown around a lot in the past year, and usually they make me roll my eyes, but the anti vaxxers convincing elderly, immuno-compromised people not to get the shot deserve to be locked up.
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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #291 on: March 08, 2021, 09:02:59 PM »
Poor woman was confused. On one hand she gets inundated with anti vax stuff on whatsapp, this thing is going to kill her like it killed all the other people, and in the other hand, the people that think it will save her from covid still don't think it's all that effective.

The terms rodef and rotzeach have been thrown around a lot in the past year, and usually they make me roll my eyes, but the anti vaxxers convincing elderly, immuno-compromised people not to get the shot deserve to be locked up.
It’s really messed up just how influential this disgusting movement is in our communities. The standard reaction around here to “I am vaccinated” is “You’re not nervous?” while the reaction to “I have COVID” is “Kiss me!”


(Personal experience with the former only).
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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #292 on: March 08, 2021, 09:05:50 PM »
It’s really messed up just how influential this disgusting movement is in our communities...

... and scary to see how many otherwise smart people buy into it.
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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #293 on: March 08, 2021, 09:14:25 PM »
... and scary to see how many otherwise smart people buy into it.
Guess they have a different pshat in הנותן לשכוי בינה להבחין בין יום ובין לילה.

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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #294 on: March 08, 2021, 09:17:54 PM »
... and scary to see how many otherwise smart people buy into it.

Been talking about this since May last year. Public health credibility is shot. People are going to stop vaccinating altogether, not just refuse the covid vax. And the medical community as a whole has no one to blame but themselves.
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When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #295 on: March 08, 2021, 09:18:45 PM »
And the medical community as a whole has no one to blame but themselves.
Lmao

ETA: This sentiment unfortunately is real; and @Yehuda57 is relaying this succinctly. It saddens me that people are unable to separate the fallible humans behind the messaging from the actual (and shifting) scientific developments.
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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #296 on: March 08, 2021, 10:52:43 PM »
Lmao

ETA: This sentiment unfortunately is real; and @Yehuda57 is relaying this succinctly. It saddens me that people are unable to separate the fallible humans behind the messaging from the actual (and shifting) scientific developments.

You are being blind to the anti science rhetoric that came out of medical professionals and organizations at every policy level and at every stage of the pandemic. This wasn't a case of fallible people making mistakes, this was a yearlong mess of doctors playing politics and calling it science.
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« Reply #297 on: March 08, 2021, 11:15:00 PM »
You are being blind to the anti science rhetoric that came out of medical professionals and organizations at every policy level and at every stage of the pandemic. This wasn't a case of fallible people making mistakes, this was a yearlong mess of doctors playing politics and calling it science.
Oh I fully agree, from Fauci to Ditchek the messaging has been an absolute disaster. My issue is that now a sizable portion of the population just decided to throw out the baby with the bathwater; I can't count how many times any IRL conversation about Covid somehow devolves into a highly charged debate about Fauci (or whoever your local Fauci is). Now the entire medical science field is tainted by these public figures - and people are too stubborn (for lack of better adjective) to see past this.


As an aside, I've personally had similar discussions with Lakewood doctors - pleading with them to realize this threat:
I've begged doctors in Lakewood to recognize the long term battle they face now from the growing anti vaxxer sentiment in town. It's going to be really rough going forward.
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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #298 on: March 08, 2021, 11:37:14 PM »
And today the CDC just poured fuel onto the fire.

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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #299 on: March 09, 2021, 12:04:09 AM »
Oh I fully agree, from Fauci to Ditchek the messaging has been an absolute disaster. My issue is that now a sizable portion of the population just decided to throw out the baby with the bathwater; I can't count how many times any IRL conversation about Covid somehow devolves into a highly charged debate about Fauci (or whoever your local Fauci is). Now the entire medical science field is tainted by these public figures - and people are too stubborn (for lack of better adjective) to see past this.


As an aside, I've personally had similar discussions with Lakewood doctors - pleading with them to realize this threat:

The doctors aren’t the (only) ones to blame for the politicization of COVID. Also, what’s best for public policy isn’t necessarily a direct extrapolation of what current medical/scientific knowledge is. Policy is often one-size-fits-all/most (or an equivalent gamut of buckets), science is much more nuanced.