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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #320 on: March 09, 2021, 11:42:37 AM »
How many doctors do you have?

You shouldn't be taking anyone's word for it, but if DDF shows you sources for the proper guidance, you should definitely ask your doctor what his opinion on the official protocol is and why his guidance is different.
My kids were between doctors because we were unhappy with the old doctor but they weren't yet registered with the new one, and my son's morah wanted to only follow Dr Shanik until she agreed it was wrong to force us to keep him home for a month because a different doctor said so.
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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #321 on: March 09, 2021, 11:43:54 AM »
Give me the theory. Why would the CDC recommend a 14 day quarantine under Trump? Where's the political upside?
LOL you think everyone in the CDC was Trumps people? Trump was fighting with the CDC all throughout.
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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #322 on: March 09, 2021, 11:47:10 AM »
LOL you think everyone in the CDC was Trumps people? Trump was fighting with the CDC all throughout.

Of course not everyone was Trump's people. The head was, though. Fight or not, 14 days is the medical standard around the world.
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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #323 on: March 09, 2021, 11:58:12 AM »
Of course not everyone was Trump's people. The head was, though. Fight or not, 14 days is the medical standard around the world.
But in reality it's very far fetched at a minimum to think my kids only caught it on day 10 of my quarantine, and they also don't show symptoms or test positive for another 14 days.

I honestly believe that the other kids in my son's class who were around many other people were more likely to get COVID than my kids were after the first few days of quarantine and not being exposed to anyone else. If they were going to catch it, they most likely would have caught it either before we were symptomatic of within the first few days of symptoms.
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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #324 on: March 09, 2021, 12:05:51 PM »
But in reality it's very far fetched at a minimum to think my kids only caught it on day 10 of my quarantine, and they also don't show symptoms or test positive for another 14 days.
I would just point out that it's not so far fetched. My wife and I were positive, kids were exposed to us and tested negative on day 7 of their quarantine and developed symptoms on day 9.
RS. Took my family 2 weeks from that point until every one of my kids were positive. BH all did well and we are almost done.
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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #325 on: March 09, 2021, 12:06:32 PM »
But in reality it's very far fetched at a minimum to think my kids only caught it on day 10 of my quarantine, and they also don't show symptoms or test positive for another 14 days.
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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #326 on: March 09, 2021, 12:10:40 PM »
But in reality it's very far fetched at a minimum to think my kids only caught it on day 10 of my quarantine, and they also don't show symptoms or test positive for another 14 days.

I honestly believe that the other kids in my son's class who were around many other people were more likely to get COVID than my kids were after the first few days of quarantine and not being exposed to anyone else. If they were going to catch it, they most likely would have caught it either before we were symptomatic of within the first few days of symptoms.

Did you know that more people tested positive on day 8 post-exposure than on day 6? Every day that you are contagious is a new exposure to those quarantined with you. To start their quarantine based on when you first showed symptoms makes absolutely no sense.
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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #327 on: March 09, 2021, 12:16:09 PM »
Did you know that more people tested positive on day 8 post-exposure than on day 6?
Is this true?
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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #328 on: March 09, 2021, 12:20:20 PM »
Is this true?

Trying to track down the study.
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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #329 on: March 09, 2021, 12:21:31 PM »
Did you know that more people tested positive on day 8 post-exposure than on day 6? Every day that you are contagious is a new exposure to those quarantined with you. To start their quarantine based on when you first showed symptoms makes absolutely no sense.

What about if everyone showed symptoms within a day of eachother?
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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #330 on: March 09, 2021, 12:21:52 PM »
Trying to track down the study.
I found you a source

But I donít think Iíve seen this elsewhere so Iím not sure itís true. The CDC seems to believe a negative at day 5 rules out 90% or more of infections.
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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #331 on: March 09, 2021, 12:24:13 PM »
What about if everyone showed symptoms within a day of eachother?

Then they aren't quarantining for exposure; they're quarantining for their own symptoms.
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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #332 on: March 09, 2021, 12:34:31 PM »
A great example of the CDC losing credibility by taking politics over science.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/03/09/cdc-school-opening-covid-rules-guidance-column/4628552001/


CDC misinterpreted our research on opening schools. It should loosen the rules now


"The guidance does not take into account the data we have regarding little disease transmission in schools. Nor, although the guidance cites the work performed across Wisconsin districts performed by our group and published in the MMWR, does it take that data and new analyses from that dataset into account. Keeping schools closed or even partially closed, based on what we know now is unwarranted, is harming children, and has become a human rights issue."

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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #333 on: March 09, 2021, 01:07:36 PM »

Day 7 and 9 from the first family member testing positive or day 7 and 9 from the last day of the last quarantine? Dr Shanik is advocating for 24 day quarantine from when the last positive person begins quarantine.

If additional members test positive later on, they most likely were the ones to infect those who only showed symptoms later on, not the original infected person.
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« Reply #334 on: March 09, 2021, 01:14:37 PM »
I found you a source

But I donít think Iíve seen this elsewhere so Iím not sure itís true. The CDC seems to believe a negative at day 5 rules out 90% or more of infections.

Not sure this is the same study: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/06/200610094112.htm
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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #335 on: March 09, 2021, 02:32:00 PM »
Day 7 and 9 from the first family member testing positive or day 7 and 9 from the last day of the last quarantine? Dr Shanik is advocating for 24 day quarantine from when the last positive person begins quarantine.

If additional members test positive later on, they most likely were the ones to infect those who only showed symptoms later on, not the original infected person.

24 days?!?! That sounds onerous...
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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #336 on: March 09, 2021, 03:07:37 PM »
24 days?!?! That sounds onerous...
I suspect that is a typo since i have heard otherwise from other people who have asked him.
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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #337 on: March 09, 2021, 03:10:08 PM »
24 days?!?! That sounds onerous...
I suspect that is a typo since i have heard otherwise from other people who have asked him.
Not a typo, they said 14 days from when the last person is contagious. Anyone who tested positive is considered contagious for 10 days, you can only start counting 14 days from after day 10 for a total of 24 days.
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« Reply #338 on: March 09, 2021, 03:20:19 PM »
Not a typo, they said 14 days from when the last person is contagious. Anyone who tested positive is considered contagious for 10 days, you can only start counting 14 days from after day 10 for a total of 24 days.

Yea, Fauci's the one with the funky math...
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Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
« Reply #339 on: March 09, 2021, 03:26:18 PM »
Not a typo, they said 14 days from when the last person is contagious. Anyone who tested positive is considered contagious for 10 days, you can only start counting 14 days from after day 10 for a total of 24 days.
+1 was told same by Dr. Shanik. FWIW, most other pediatricians in Lakewood are not quite as stringent....