When will a vaccine *really* be available?

[S209]

https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1429800401004597249

Now that another huge play the anti-vaxxers were using has fallen, I keep hearing how “It’s not really approved, it’s fake, did you read the actual press release?”

[CountValentine]

Now that another huge play the anti-vaxxers were using has fallen, I keep hearing how “It’s not really approved, it’s fake, did you read the actual press release?”

I get dizzy watching their goalposts. 

Anyone hearing the vaccines are putting metal in your body or you become magnetized.

[Yehuda57]

Where to get vaccinated in NYC?

https://www.vaccines.gov/search/

[Yehuda57]

I get dizzy watching their goalposts. 

Anyone hearing the vaccines are putting metal in your body or you become magnetized.

I know someone that won't go near anyone who was vaccinated as she gets headaches and feels ill when she gets close to them. (Shhh, don't tell her that her kids may have gotten vaccinated and just didn't tell her so they could at least spend time with her. Oh, and she felt fine when she was with them)

[CountValentine]

I know someone that won't go near anyone who was vaccinated as she gets headaches and feels ill when she gets close to them. (Shhh, don't tell her that her kids may have gotten vaccinated and just didn't tell her so they could at least spend time with her. Oh, and she felt fine when she was with them)

This just happened with a relative. She won't go near her mom for 6 months because of the magnetism. The insane part is she was/is a nurse.

Another case: My neighbor who is vaccinated tells me about a guy at the rec center who can put a piece on metal on his body where he got the shot and it sticks to it. He is starting to believe this stuff. 

[Euclid]

I know someone that won't go near anyone who was vaccinated as she gets headaches and feels ill when she gets close to them. (Shhh, don't tell her that her kids may have gotten vaccinated and just didn't tell her so they could at least spend time with her. Oh, and she felt fine when she was with them)

This is a scene from Better Call Saul

[avromie7]

Now that another huge play the anti-vaxxers were using has fallen, I keep hearing how “It’s not really approved, it’s fake, did you read the actual press release?”

You can't really blame most of them. On the same day as the full approval the FDA also extended the EUA, so when someone sends you a link to the FDAs website and says "They didn't really approve it, they just extended the EUA. Look, here is a link to the FDAs website" it's very compelling.

[AsherO]

You can't really blame most of them. On the same day as the full approval the FDA also extended the EUA, so when someone sends you a link to the FDAs website and says "They didn't really approve it, they just extended the EUA. Look, here is a link to the FDAs website" it's very compelling.

Maybe because the scope is different, for instance EUA might cover additional boosters for immunocompromised people, or something similar.

[avromie7]

Maybe because the scope is different, for instance EUA might cover additional boosters for immunocompromised people, or something similar.

I understand that, but you can't blame your average person for believing that it's just an EUA extension when you can see that on the FDA's website.

[AsherO]

I understand that, but you can't blame your average person for believing that it's just an EUA extension when you can see that on the FDA's website.

Antivaxxers are not your average person, they don't stake their claims in innocent misunderstandings.

[Yehuda57]

Antivaxxers are not your average person, they don't stake their claims in innocent misunderstandings.

Covid vaccine skeptics are very much your average person

[AsherO]

Covid vaccine skeptics are very much your average person

The people investing time, money, and energy, in spreading FUD, are very much not your average person.

ETA:

Vaccine skeptic to FUDdite: "Did you hear, the Pfizer vaccine can't be all that bad, I heard that the FDA recently approved it."
FUDdite responds: "No they didn't, check out the FDA website, they only extended the EUA"

Even if @avromie7's assertion is true that the way the EUA-extension is presented is confusing/misleading in this specific context, that's the FUDdite's fault, not the FDA's fault.

[avromie7]

The people investing time, money, and energy, in spreading FUD, are very much not your average person.

ETA:

Vaccine skeptic to FUDdite: "Did you hear, the Pfizer vaccine can't be all that bad, I heard that the FDA recently approved it."
FUDdite responds: "No they didn't, check out the FDA website, they only extended the EUA"

Even if @avromie7's assertion is true that the way the EUA-extension is presented is confusing/misleading in this specific context, that's the FUDdite's fault, not the FDA's fault.

Hence

You can't really blame most of them. On the same day as the full approval the FDA also extended the EUA, so when someone sends you a link to the FDAs website and says "They didn't really approve it, they just extended the EUA. Look, here is a link to the FDAs website" it's very compelling.

[AsherO]

Hence

I don't know if I blame the skeptic per se, but they're idiots for not thinking this through critically.

[S209]

Hence

AsherO is correct. Anyone with any reasonable searching skills should be able to discover this easily, it's entirely on their shoulders if they choose to fall for this particular anti-vax trick.

[CountValentine]

Covid vaccine skeptics are very much your average person

/s ?

[yelped]

I don't know if I blame the skeptic per se, but they're idiots for not thinking this through critically.

Many people lack critical thinking skills.

[Yehuda57]

/s ?

Nope. Been discussed on many different threads.

[CountValentine]

Nope. Been discussed on many different threads.

Are we talking about believing the vaccines don't work/help?

[Yehuda57]

Are we talking about believing the vaccines don't work/help?

There are varying levels of skepticism.

Let's say you said, "the experts agree, the vaccines are effective, safe, and everyone who can should get them"

The experts agree - we don't trust those experts, they've been lying to us all through covid. And any expert who disagrees is silenced.
They work - sure, but not as much as claimed.
They're safe - possibly, though we can't know for sure yet, and there are side effects being pushed under the rug.
Everyone should get them - not me, I'm already immune, and if you dare try to force me, there's no way I'm ever doing it.