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Re: Non-Tesla EV Electric Vehicles Master Thread
« Reply #60 on: June 27, 2022, 03:26:46 PM »
I need to buy a car that could drive from Lakewood to Brooklyn and back without charging during trip.
Won't be able to charge it in Brooklyn.
Are there any specific models that have the range and make it b4 dying if get stuck in traffic both ways? [It could take 2 &1/2 hours each way.]
Any rebates avail for NJ now?
And are there any dealers that I should buy/lease from over others for price and service?
(What's the price for Leasing and is it worth to buy out after?)

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Re: Non-Tesla EV Electric Vehicles Master Thread
« Reply #61 on: June 29, 2022, 10:05:14 PM »
I need to buy a car that could drive from Lakewood to Brooklyn and back without charging during trip.
Won't be able to charge it in Brooklyn.
Are there any specific models that have the range and make it b4 dying if get stuck in traffic both ways? [It could take 2 &1/2 hours each way.]
Any rebates avail for NJ now?
And are there any dealers that I should buy/lease from over others for price and service?
(What's the price for Leasing and is it worth to buy out after?)
Beware, just like Tesla, Ford will no longer allow you too buy out an EV lease.

I think pretty much every EV except for the Nissan Leaf can make the trip. Stop and go traffic doesn't reduce range significantly thanks to regen braking. Any loss is likely made up by the lower average speed which is more efficient. However, blasting the heat or A/C for a long time can affect range.
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Re: Non-Tesla EV Electric Vehicles Master Thread
« Reply #62 on: July 03, 2022, 03:38:30 PM »
Staying overnight at a hotel with destination chargers will save you 1-2 charging stops per day.

A TR after the trip is a must, here's what I want to know.

How robust or sparse is the charging infrastructure?
If and at what point in the trip did you feel an EV is a burden vs ICE?
How close did you get to 0 miles of range?
Not a TR but just finished the drive from Miami to Washing DC. Staying for the fourth then heading to NY.

Charging infrastructure was great. Never did we have to veer far off the highways. With the EV6 we were constantly pulling 200-220 kw charging speed on the 350 chargers.

We got to visit a bunch of Walmarts.

We used a better route planner for the trip and it was basically spot on. I set to never arrive at a charger under 15%. Once due to speeding we arrived at 10%.

I was in cruise control at around 76 most of the way with Lane Follow and Lane Keep assist on and working great. Barely had to touch the wheel or the pedals.

Apple Maps says the ride should take 14.5 hours (without gas and bathroom breaks). It took us closer to 17.25 Max stop was 25 minutes and we stopped to recharge about every 2.5 hours.

Car went from 15-80% in about 18 minutes. A couple times we charged to 90%.

We set the route planner that we arrive at the hotel with 60% charge so that was one extra 15 minute stop.

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Re: Non-Tesla EV Electric Vehicles Master Thread
« Reply #63 on: July 03, 2022, 04:34:06 PM »
800 volt battery of the new Hyundai Ioniq 5/Kia EV6 helps with faster recharging times.

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Re: Non-Tesla EV Electric Vehicles Master Thread
« Reply #64 on: July 03, 2022, 08:50:14 PM »

I was in cruise control at around 76 most of the way with Lane Follow and Lane Keep assist on and working great. Barely had to touch the wheel or the pedals.


I only took one long drive NY-PHL in my ioniq5 and im curious if you felt the lane follow was worse for battery performance vs a smart use of your own following. ie it brakes more and accelerates more as it tries to adjust to the car in front vs letting off the gas when you see cars in front of you getting closer which you can anticipate better by looking ahead at traffic.

i may need to retype that - let me know if it makes sense

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Re: Non-Tesla EV Electric Vehicles Master Thread
« Reply #65 on: July 03, 2022, 08:53:31 PM »
I only took one long drive NY-PHL in my ioniq5 and im curious if you felt the lane follow was worse for battery performance vs a smart use of your own following. ie it brakes more and accelerates more as it tries to adjust to the car in front vs letting off the gas when you see cars in front of you getting closer which you can anticipate better by looking ahead at traffic.

i may need to retype that - let me know if it makes sense
I had a similar experience with the adaptive cruise control on my  EV. I like my driving better (smoother), and it definitely conserves more energy. (I only tried it once).

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Re: Non-Tesla EV Electric Vehicles Master Thread
« Reply #66 on: July 03, 2022, 10:28:10 PM »
I only took one long drive NY-PHL in my ioniq5 and im curious if you felt the lane follow was worse for battery performance vs a smart use of your own following. ie it brakes more and accelerates more as it tries to adjust to the car in front vs letting off the gas when you see cars in front of you getting closer which you can anticipate better by looking ahead at traffic.

i may need to retype that - let me know if it makes sense
Regenerative braking should recoup most of the lost energy, but it may not be programed well enough to do that properly.
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Non-Tesla EV Electric Vehicles Master Thread
« Reply #67 on: July 04, 2022, 05:35:39 AM »
I only took one long drive NY-PHL in my ioniq5 and im curious if you felt the lane follow was worse for battery performance vs a smart use of your own following. ie it brakes more and accelerates more as it tries to adjust to the car in front vs letting off the gas when you see cars in front of you getting closer which you can anticipate better by looking ahead at traffic.

i may need to retype that - let me know if it makes sense
Makes kinda sense.

Honestly, there were not so many other cars until almost DC. So car didn't use that feature soo much anyways. If I wasn't using cruise control and relaxing I wouldn't be able to control my speed and would end up going much faster and using too much battery.
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Re: Non-Tesla EV Electric Vehicles Master Thread
« Reply #68 on: July 04, 2022, 09:28:16 AM »
Regenerative braking should recoup most of the lost energy, but it may not be programed well enough to do that properly.

So from my (very limited) understanding regen braking is a diff system vs actively applying the brakes - if this is true then the cruise control system which I believe uses active braking would not get much regen.

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Re: Non-Tesla EV Electric Vehicles Master Thread
« Reply #69 on: July 04, 2022, 09:46:00 AM »
So from my (very limited) understanding regen braking is a diff system vs actively applying the brakes - if this is true then the cruise control system which I believe uses active braking would not get much regen.
It is a different system, but are you sure it's not using regen and only using brake pads?
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Re: Non-Tesla EV Electric Vehicles Master Thread
« Reply #70 on: July 04, 2022, 11:43:41 AM »
So from my (very limited) understanding regen braking is a diff system vs actively applying the brakes - if this is true then the cruise control system which I believe uses active braking would not get much regen.
On a chevy bolt the cruise control brakes using the regen braking. You're able to see exactly the kwh it's recharging the battery when going down a hill on a highway.

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Re: Non-Tesla EV Electric Vehicles Master Thread
« Reply #71 on: July 04, 2022, 12:44:15 PM »
I have now a hybrid Pacifica, is there any charging station's for these? 
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Re: Non-Tesla EV Electric Vehicles Master Thread
« Reply #72 on: July 04, 2022, 01:53:42 PM »
I have now a hybrid Pacifica, is there any charging station's for these?
You can only use level (1 and) 2 chargers. They are around, but not as established as DC fast chargers. You can use plugshare to find them.

The battery capacity is equal to 1 gallon of gas, IMO it's not worth the hassle to find and wait at public chargers. It's nice to plug in at home, but public charging is too much work for too little reward.
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Re: Non-Tesla EV Electric Vehicles Master Thread
« Reply #73 on: July 04, 2022, 02:01:30 PM »
You can only use level (1 and) 2 chargers. They are around, but not as established as DC fast chargers. You can use plugshare to find them.

The battery capacity is equal to 1 gallon of gas, IMO it's not worth the hassle to find and wait at public chargers. It's nice to plug in at home, but public charging is too much work for too little reward.
meaning full battery is only 1 gal?
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Re: Non-Tesla EV Electric Vehicles Master Thread
« Reply #74 on: July 04, 2022, 02:22:44 PM »
meaning full battery is only 1 gal?
1 gal = 30 miles. Fully charged battery = 32 miles. A fully charged battery will save you just about 1 gallon of gas.
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Re: Non-Tesla EV Electric Vehicles Master Thread
« Reply #75 on: July 04, 2022, 02:37:50 PM »
1 gal = 30 miles. Fully charged battery = 32 miles. A fully charged battery will save you just about 1 gallon of gas.
What a waste

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Re: Non-Tesla EV Electric Vehicles Master Thread
« Reply #76 on: July 04, 2022, 03:07:43 PM »
What a waste
Kind of, but not really. If you plug it in at home, many people can do the daily commute just on that and not need the gas engine.

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Re: Non-Tesla EV Electric Vehicles Master Thread
« Reply #77 on: July 04, 2022, 03:17:48 PM »
What a waste
Unlike most PHEVs, this is a hybrid with a plug, not an EV with an engine. If you plug it in every night, you'll save 2-300 gallons of gas per year. If you can plug in for a few hours during the day too you can save close to 500 gallons per year.
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Re: Non-Tesla EV Electric Vehicles Master Thread
« Reply #78 on: July 04, 2022, 10:31:31 PM »
It is a different system, but are you sure it's not using regen and only using brake pads?

I dug into this today a bit... seems like it is using both but just not as efficiently as a human who is able to look ahead better and lay of the pedal earlier to let the regen kick in for longer periods before needing the real brakes.

how much is lost probably depends on your personal driving habits(skills?)

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Re: Non-Tesla EV Electric Vehicles Master Thread
« Reply #79 on: July 05, 2022, 09:21:13 AM »
I dug into this today a bit... seems like it is using both but just not as efficiently as a human who is able to look ahead better and lay of the pedal earlier to let the regen kick in for longer periods before needing the real brakes.

how much is lost probably depends on your personal driving habits(skills?)
That makes more sense. They'll probably improve it within time, but I'm not sure if they'll be able to update it OTA.
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