Non-Tesla EV Electric Vehicles Master Thread

[davidd75]

Can't get the tax credit in 2022?

no GM reached its cap; new law effective 1/1/23 restarts it for GM. 

Also remember its up to $7500 so I have to wait to see a final psak on how much the 2023 chevy bolt is actually eligible for.

[davidd75]

Is the $7,500 federal tax credit approved already?

approved for up to $7500 but actual amounts for each model/car forthcoming

[davidd75]

If you take it this year you can get $2,000 off with uber promo.

cant get $7500 tax rebate this year so it appears to me you come out at a loss

[davidd75]

My main reservation though with Bolt EUV(247 mile range) is the ability to make long trips(like to monsey from lkwd) or to the catskills from lkwd etc?

It seems GM will install a level 2 charger in your house but what about road trips? 

Can anybody with a lot of experience can chime in how much a hassle it is to find a charging station, cost, time etc.  or is this not a big concern?

[avromie7]

My main reservation though with Bolt EUV(247 mile range) is the ability to make long trips(like to monsey from lkwd) or to the catskills from lkwd etc?

It seems GM will install a level 2 charger in your house but what about road trips? 

Can anybody with a lot of experience can chime in how much a hassle it is to find a charging station, cost, time etc.  or is this not a big concern?

Round trip to monsey will be tight, to the catskills it's impossible. If you have somewhere to charge there you'll be fine.

Because the Bolt is limited to 55kW, charging on the road will take some time. A 30 minute charge will likely get you around 100 miles of range.

The cost is a non-factor even if it's more expensive than gas. The gas savings when charging at home will be way more than you spend on occasional public charging.

[davidd75]

Round trip to monsey will be tight, to the catskills it's impossible. If you have somewhere to charge there you'll be fine.

Because the Bolt is limited to 55kW, charging on the road will take some time. A 30 minute charge will likely get you around 100 miles of range.

The cost is a non-factor even if it's more expensive than gas. The gas savings when charging at home will be way more than you spend on occasional public charging.

I can always charge at someone's house over shabbos with regular outlet?

[avromie7]

I can always charge at someone's house over shabbos with regular outlet?

Yes, but 24 hours won't get you from 0-100%. It should be able to fill in the gap between the remaining battery and what's necessary to get back home.

[davidd75]

Yes, but 24 hours won't get you from 0-100%. It should be able to fill in the gap between the remaining battery and what's necessary to get back home.

I see thanks!!

[davidd75]

so there are some features I had question on the Bolt EUV

1.one pedal driving
2. there is lever you can pull to slow down instead of using break pedal.

are both of these regenerative breaking is there is a difference between the two?
should I be using these features if so for saving on break pads?

[A3]

so there are some features I had question on the Bolt EUV

1.one pedal driving
2. there is lever you can pull to slow down instead of using break pedal.

are both of these regenerative breaking is there is a difference between the two?
should I be using these features if so for saving on break pads?

Not sure if it's the same, but from my EV6:
1 pedal driving- when you take your foot off the "gas" pedal, the car will start full regen breaking and stop.
Other type- I keep my car on auto regen, it will slow if there is a car in front of me, otherwise, the car will coast when you take the foot off the pedal. You can then pull the lever to activate full regen to come to a complete stop.

[coffeebean]

so there are some features I had question on the Bolt EUV

1.one pedal driving
2. there is lever you can pull to slow down instead of using break pedal.

are both of these regenerative breaking is there is a difference between the two?
should I be using these features if so for saving on break pads?

One pedal driving: Car regenerates and feels like it's breaking as you lift your foot off the pedal. For example if you're going 40mph and see a red light 500 feet ahead, you just take your foot off the pedal and by the time your car reaches the light, you'll be at a complete stop. That means as long as you want to be maintaining speed, your foot has to be on the pedal (unlike a gas car you can maintain a speed without being on the pedal for nice amount of time). For the first few weeks it feels wierd, after that you can't live without it.
Leveler: Also amazing. It literally just regenerates and brakes slightly harder than one pedal driving. Sometimes I realize that I'm almost at the red light, but if I don't slow down faster I'll pass the white line, so I'll click on the leveler which will slow me down more.

[coffeebean]

When utilizing these 2 features correctly you'll barely be using the break. Obviously if a car cuts you off and or slows down drastically in front of you, you'd have to use the break pedal.

[davidd75]

One pedal driving: Car regenerates and feels like it's breaking as you lift your foot off the pedal. For example if you're going 40mph and see a red light 500 feet ahead, you just take your foot off the pedal and by the time your car reaches the light, you'll be at a complete stop. That means as long as you want to be maintaining speed, your foot has to be on the pedal (unlike a gas car you can maintain a speed without being on the pedal for nice amount of time). For the first few weeks it feels wierd, after that you can't live without it.
Leveler: Also amazing. It literally just regenerates and brakes slightly harder than one pedal driving. Sometimes I realize that I'm almost at the red light, but if I don't slow down faster I'll pass the white line, so I'll click on the leveler which will slow me down more.

Thanks nice summary!
so just to clarify these systems do not use the break pads? so you save greatly on wear and tear and maintenance of break pads? what other advantages?

[davidd75]

Not sure if it's the same, but from my EV6:
1 pedal driving- when you take your foot off the "gas" pedal, the car will start full regen breaking and stop.
Other type- I keep my car on auto regen, it will slow if there is a car in front of me, otherwise, the car will coast when you take the foot off the pedal. You can then pull the lever to activate full regen to come to a complete stop.

auto regen available in EUV bolt?

[avromie7]

Thanks nice summary!
so just to clarify these systems do not use the break pads? so you save greatly on wear and tear and maintenance of break pads? what other advantages?

The bigger advantage is the energy that's put back in the battery, it will give you more range.

[Definitions2]

https://cleantechnica.com/2023/10/29/want-a-new-ev-dirt-cheap-get-ready-to-act-fast-in-two-months/amp/

So they are saying starting in January you can use the $7500 credit on the purchase price directly.
Are there any catches to this?

[Help]

https://cleantechnica.com/2023/10/29/want-a-new-ev-dirt-cheap-get-ready-to-act-fast-in-two-months/amp/

So they are saying starting in January you can use the $7500 credit on the purchase price directly.
Are there any catches to this?

That’s correct. I’m not aware of any “catches”. Income limits stay in place, but you will no longer need to have a tax liability to be able to use the credit.

Here’s the official IRS Publication:
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/rp-23-33.pdf

ETA, Here are FAQ's in English 
https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/topic-h-transfer-of-new-clean-vehicle-credit-and-previously-owned-clean-vehicles-credit

[Realshlomo]

That’s correct. I’m not aware of any “catches”. Income limits stay in place, but you will no longer need to have a tax liability to be able to use the credit.

Here’s the official IRS statement:
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/rp-23-33.pdf

Wow, no tax liability required is huge!

[Help]

That’s correct. I’m not aware of any “catches”. Income limits stay in place, but you will no longer need to have a tax liability to be able to use the credit.

Here’s the official IRS statement:
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/rp-23-33.pdf

Worth noting that it’s optional for the dealers to elect into this. They can refuse to partake in the POS credit.

[Definitions2]

Worth noting that it’s optional for the dealers to elect into this. They can refuse to partake in the POS credit.

Why would they care?

(P.s. I must be hanging around the wrong websites. It took me a few seconds too long to realize POS stands for point of sale as opposed to piece of ....)