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Re: Vaccine passport here we come
« Reply #60 on: April 11, 2021, 12:47:33 PM »
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Re: Vaccine passport here we come
« Reply #61 on: April 11, 2021, 02:53:02 PM »
This whole thing is such a joke.

https://nypost.com/2021/04/09/fake-covid-vaccination-cards-running-rampant-online/

If this was a Federal database where those administering the vaccines reported vaccinate dates, names, and DoBs, and whatever vaccine card they issued had a QR to verify against this data source, it would be much harder to falsify and leave a trail if someone submitted false vaccination data.

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Re: Vaccine passport here we come
« Reply #62 on: April 11, 2021, 03:49:16 PM »
If this was a Federal database where those administering the vaccines reported vaccinate dates, names, and DoBs, and whatever vaccine card they issued had a QR to verify against this data source, it would be much harder to falsify and leave a trail if someone submitted false vaccination data.
Remember the guy in charge of the country at the time the vaccines were rolled out kept his own vaccination a secret... a national database was the last thing they wanted.
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Re: Vaccine passport here we come
« Reply #63 on: April 11, 2021, 03:57:27 PM »
Remember the guy in charge of the country at the time the vaccines were rolled out kept his own vaccination a secret... a national database was the last thing they wanted.

It's not like the current administration is any better in this regard, their policy here is similar.

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Re: Vaccine passport here we come
« Reply #64 on: April 11, 2021, 05:26:03 PM »
It's not like the current administration is any better in this regard, their policy here is similar.
The train was out of the station by then. You had 20 million people vaccinated without trace already. (Confirmatory antibody testing is a huge burden that would’ve unleashed even more resentment) There is nothing in this administration that suggests they wouldn’t have supported a high quality vaccine, but the mindset of the previous administration was very clear.

It’s surprising the stakeholders like the airlines and cruise companies haven’t don’t more to solve this. Clear seems to be the only player attempting to create a viable solution.
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Re: Vaccine passport here we come
« Reply #65 on: April 11, 2021, 05:36:04 PM »
but the mindset of the previous administration was very clear.

Which mindset would making quick vaccine availability the central (only?) aspect of COVID policy be?
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Re: Vaccine passport here we come
« Reply #66 on: April 11, 2021, 05:39:19 PM »
Which mindset would making quick vaccine availability the central (only?) aspect of COVID policy be?
The one of the administration that used Federal resources to vaccinate Americans more than the one that dumped it on the States and rinsed their hands off it.

The vaccine was developed in March 2020. The US government employs 3,000,000 people and spent a few trillion dollars last year. They weren't too busy to figure out a single value database. Give me a break
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Re: Vaccine passport here we come
« Reply #67 on: April 11, 2021, 05:46:58 PM »
The one of the administration that used Federal resources to vaccinate Americans more than the one that dumped it on the States and rinsed their hands off it.

The vaccine was developed in March 2020. The US government employs 3,000,000 people and spent a few trillion dollars last year. They weren't too busy to figure out a single value database. Give me a break
None of this has anything to do with my question. (besides the ridiculousness of the second part-ignoring how EVERYONE was saying at the time that having one by the time it happened was unrealistic) Whether they did a good job or not has nothing at all to do with what I wrote.
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Re: Vaccine passport here we come
« Reply #68 on: April 11, 2021, 05:47:35 PM »
Which mindset would making quick vaccine availability the central (only?) aspect of COVID policy be?


An administration that shoots the arrow and then draws the target around it. They first see what’s a safe objective to target then announce it as an accomplishment.

Don’t get me wrong I do think the Biden administration did a great job keeping the pace going and setting up federal vaccination sites, but they were lucky to have the ducks lined up for them.

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Re: Vaccine passport here we come
« Reply #69 on: April 11, 2021, 05:48:42 PM »
None of this has anything to do with my question. (besides the ridiculousness of the second part-ignoring how EVERYONE was saying at the time that having one by the time it happened was unrealistic) Whether they did a good job or not has nothing at all to do with what I wrote.
Sorry but I don't understand what you're saying and how it's relevant to this thread.
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Re: Vaccine passport here we come
« Reply #70 on: April 11, 2021, 05:51:48 PM »
Sorry but I don't understand what you're saying and how it's relevant to this thread.
Vaccine development was literally the only item the Trump admin did to fight covid once border restrictions failed. Maybe it worked well maybe it didn't, but that makes their opinion about the usefulness of vaccines pretty clear.
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Re: Vaccine passport here we come
« Reply #71 on: April 11, 2021, 05:58:24 PM »
Vaccine development was literally the only item the Trump admin did to fight covid once border restrictions failed. Maybe it worked well maybe it didn't, but that makes their opinion about the usefulness of vaccines pretty clear.
But I didn't say they thought vaccines were useless. I said they thought vaccine passports are useless - that's what this thread is about.

Somebody who wouldn't reveal he himself got vaccinated clearly thought there is pride in not getting vaccinated (at least for people at lower risk) and would be wholly uninterested in policies that would practically all but require people to get vaccinated.
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Re: Vaccine passport here we come
« Reply #73 on: April 12, 2021, 10:05:49 AM »
He actually mentioned safety sarcastically. Keep on droning, nobody’s listening anyway.

"This should keep us all safe! And you wonder why Israel doesn't trust anyone else's "records."
-your saying he wasnt implying making fake passports is a safety issue?

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Re: Vaccine passport here we come
« Reply #74 on: April 12, 2021, 10:08:36 AM »
Although it’s increasingly harder to comprehend what exactly you’re trying to articulate, you do realize that your argument of “even fully vaccinated people can catch” is an answer to “how is he a danger”, right?

I’m starting to thing the solution to anti-vaxxers is just math.
point is if a vaccinated person can still catch and spread covid then a passport aint going to accomplish much.

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Re: Vaccine passport here we come
« Reply #75 on: April 12, 2021, 10:22:43 AM »
Or at least so you've "heard".... :P

I herd there are some experts in Israel who think they already reached heard immunity, of course that's mainly due to their vaccines. We live in truly amazing times....

well right were basing what wear saying of things we heard and saw, from experts and studies and tv/videos. no one really knows anything for sure. but every time someone is even asking questions on this covid vaccine they are labeled an anti vaxer. you should know btw that there many many people who have legitimate questions to ask on this vaccine who themselves have always vaccinated and they also vaccinated there kids as well.

i find it amazing that if you speak up and ask questions on this vaccine the hate mob comes out.

the truth is we just dont know, so there are many who are just simply saying lets wait just wait. lets bring down the volume on everyone getting vaccines and getting a vaccine passport and maybe drive up the volume on medicine thats already out there. there is preventative medicine , there are vitamins to help keep your immune system up. there are very good treatments for covid if you get it.

i looked at vaers last night, they have an excel spread sheet with people reporting adverse effects thats a mile long, some accounts are pretty nuts.

how about someone in the Jewish community arrange an open discussion, and you can have both sides pf the aisle and even people in the middle of this issue.
but i dont think thatll happen.

if you like this vax then your great but if you have questions or simply dont believe you need it then you are vilified and suppressed and labeled an anti vaxer and even cold a quack.

on vaccine passports-its just wrong to have a business to say you cant come in unless you take a needle and inject yourself first with an experimental unapproved drug.

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Re: Vaccine passport here we come
« Reply #76 on: April 12, 2021, 10:24:32 AM »
Lol. You like spewing nonsense?

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Re: Vaccine passport here we come
« Reply #77 on: April 12, 2021, 11:25:13 AM »
point is if a vaccinated person can still catch and spread covid then a passport aint going to accomplish much.

What about if a vaccinated person's likelihood of spreading COVID is 5% compared to an unvaccinated person?

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Re: Vaccine passport here we come
« Reply #78 on: April 12, 2021, 12:32:26 PM »
What about if a vaccinated person's likelihood of spreading COVID is 5% compared to an unvaccinated person?
But what are the odds of that? You’re just going to believe some scientists?

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