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Re: Civil War?
« Reply #340 on: January 12, 2021, 04:12:37 PM »
I hope there's not an ounce of truth to that and I'm not clicking on any of the links to find out

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Re: Civil War?
« Reply #342 on: January 12, 2021, 04:45:00 PM »

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Re: Civil War?
« Reply #343 on: January 12, 2021, 07:55:49 PM »
IMHO, required reading, and maybe needs to be stickied on to of the politics board

https://mishpacha.com/gone-missing/

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Re: Civil War?
« Reply #344 on: January 12, 2021, 08:10:21 PM »
IMHO, required reading, and maybe needs to be stickied on to of the politics board

https://mishpacha.com/gone-missing/
It's very well written, thank you. Did he promote this stance before the rest of the world turned on Trump?
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Re: Civil War?
« Reply #345 on: January 12, 2021, 08:39:14 PM »
It's very well written, thank you. Did he promote this stance before the rest of the world turned on Trump?
You mean during the numerous Trump driven riots in the summer? Hmm no.
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To be clear, much of this could be equally applied to the shocking and dangerous mob violence associated with numerous BLM and Antifa protests across the country. But the affiliation of many in our community — for hakaras hatov or for broader reasons — with the Trump movement (and, for the most part, not with BLM or Antifa) makes the timing of this essay more appropriate within the context of Wednesday’s events.

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Re: Civil War?
« Reply #346 on: January 12, 2021, 10:44:29 PM »
It's very well written, thank you.
If only you were capable of seeing that he's also talking about you here, it's just that you're at the opposite end of the horseshoe...

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Re: Civil War?
« Reply #347 on: January 12, 2021, 11:00:50 PM »
It's very well written, thank you. Did he promote this stance before the rest of the world turned on Trump?

I'm not familiar with his writings, but if that's the question you have after reading it, you clearly missed the points, as whYME stated eloquently.

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Re: Civil War?
« Reply #348 on: January 12, 2021, 11:01:43 PM »
If only you were capable of seeing that he's also talking about you here, it's just that you're at the opposite end of the horseshoe...
I'm not 100% sure what you mean, but Donald Trump is outside the spectrum of legitimate opinion. He's a deranged criminal traitor who conned millions of people that he was somehow helping them (like Trump University). On most other political topics I don't have a strong or definitive opinion, I see merit on both side of the argument.
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Re: Civil War?
« Reply #349 on: January 12, 2021, 11:04:03 PM »
I'm not 100% sure what you mean, but Donald Trump is outside the spectrum of legitimate opinion. He's a deranged criminal traitor who conned millions of people that he was somehow helping them (like Trump University). On most other political topics I don't have a strong or definitive opinion, I see merit on both side of the argument.

Exhibit A, your honor.

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Re: Civil War?
« Reply #350 on: January 12, 2021, 11:04:10 PM »


On most other political topics I don't have a strong or definitive opinion, I see merit on both side of the argument.
Says the self described opinionated contrarian

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Re: Civil War?
« Reply #351 on: January 12, 2021, 11:13:30 PM »
Says the self described opinionated contrarian

Actually, I describe myself the same way and I'm also not too opinionated on certain things. There actually is a very good reason for it. See, in most situations I really understand where both sides are coming from. So when I hear someone dismiss any side of any controversy as out of hand I'll immediately start explaining (not defending) the other side. However, there are some things I do really believe one way or another and my posts over the last few days reflect that.

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Re: Civil War?
« Reply #352 on: January 12, 2021, 11:17:23 PM »
Exhibit A, your honor.
Okay, what Bin Laden is to you, Trump is to me.

 
Says the self described opinionated contrarian


Exactly. I try to see the contrary view and argue for it, and end up believing there is truth to both.
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Re: Civil War?
« Reply #353 on: January 12, 2021, 11:18:21 PM »
Okay, what Bin Laden is to you, Trump is to me.

 Exactly. I try to see the contrary view and argue for it, and end up believing there is truth to both.
That isn't what you meant when you said it. At the time I disagree with it. Still do.
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Re: Civil War?
« Reply #354 on: January 12, 2021, 11:20:55 PM »


Okay, what Bin Laden is to you, Trump is to me.

I understand why you feel that way, but you should consider that once you do this confirmation bias will make you see things that may not have actually hastened the way you think.
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Re: Civil War?
« Reply #355 on: January 12, 2021, 11:22:19 PM »
That isn't what you meant when you said it.
Yes it was.
 
I understand why you feel that way, but you should consider that once you do this confirmation bias will make you see things that may not have actually hastened the way you think.
I'm aware.
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Re: Civil War?
« Reply #356 on: January 12, 2021, 11:45:03 PM »
It's very well written, thank you. Did he promote this stance before the rest of the world turned on Trump?
:o Is that want you see in this article? I think you didn't read it properly. I am not familiar with all his writings, but I can 99% tell you that this was Rav Lopiansky's position all along. What he says is simple basics and applies a year ago, too. Why would you think his position changed? Eytan Kobre's didn't either.

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Re: Civil War?
« Reply #357 on: January 12, 2021, 11:46:03 PM »
Yes it was.
 I'm aware.
Why would that affect shidduchim?

Yet you continue to state this bias times a million as fact very regularly. This should lead you to question whether you really try to understand the other side of things.
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Re: Civil War?
« Reply #358 on: January 12, 2021, 11:49:05 PM »
I can 99% tell you that this was Rav Lopiansky's position all along.
Then I'm impressed, thank you. I don't know the first thing about him but was curious if he had the courage to write like this while much of the frum community was still head over heel infatuated with DJT. He doesn't need my approval, but I respect him more now.

Why would that affect shidduchim?
It was more of a joke.

Yet you continue to state this bias times a million as fact very regularly. This should lead you to question whether you really try to understand the other side of things.
Being biased doesn't mean it isn't true.
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Re: Civil War?
« Reply #359 on: January 12, 2021, 11:51:33 PM »



Being biased doesn't mean it isn't true.

Of course, but the more bias the more likely it is that you see something that doesn't exist.
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