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Re: Civil War?
« Reply #420 on: January 14, 2021, 12:24:34 PM »
Are those who took out the ad even frum?
My guess was the publisher printed it under guise of an ad. Either way the publisher had discretion to publish it or not, no need to also assume somebody else was involved.
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Re: Civil War?
« Reply #421 on: January 14, 2021, 01:21:36 PM »
How it started
How it's going

https://patch.com/illinois/chicago/trolls-wrongly-accused-retired-firefighter-capitol-riot-murder
The original tweet in the article has a followup. This part I theoretically agree with. Unfortunately, the ID'ing part is rarely not followed by the mob harassment part - and the tweeter had to know it was gonna happen.
https://twitter.com/DahlELama2/status/1349462472886022144

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Re: Civil War?
« Reply #422 on: January 14, 2021, 01:31:29 PM »
The original tweet in the article has a followup. This part I theoretically agree with. Unfortunately, the ID'ing part is rarely not followed by the mob harassment part - and the tweeter had to know it was gonna happen.
https://twitter.com/DahlELama2/status/1349462472886022144
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Re: Civil War?
« Reply #423 on: January 14, 2021, 01:48:20 PM »
"Twitter, do your thing"
What are you pointing out that I haven't already said?

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« Reply #424 on: January 14, 2021, 02:08:00 PM »
What are you pointing out that I haven't already said?
Why do you think I am? He/r saying "Twitter do your thing" means asking outright to identify PUBLICLY without a full responsible investigation. THat is a direct contradiction to her followup. The followup is garbage to try and deflect his/her responsibility for ruining someones life!
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Re: Civil War?
« Reply #425 on: January 14, 2021, 02:20:33 PM »
what is the legitimate explanation for Rudy Guliani's call for 'Trial By Combat'? I just listened to the speech...
You're probably the only one here who listened

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« Reply #426 on: January 14, 2021, 02:22:54 PM »
You're probably the only one here who listened
So did the rest assume Rudy meant violence or understood it differently?
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Re: Civil War?
« Reply #427 on: January 14, 2021, 02:42:28 PM »
Why do you think I am? He/r saying "Twitter do your thing" means asking outright to identify PUBLICLY without a full responsible investigation. THat is a direct contradiction to her followup. The followup is garbage to try and deflect his/her responsibility for ruining someones life!
Well, they pulled the tweets - when you play with fire you get burned - so I can't read back the actual text of the second tweet, but I fully agree that it's a deflection. And I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you mean the posting on twitter is the problem, not the investigating. The FBI set up a page specifically for info on the capitol riots and internet sleuths have frequently been instrumental in providing law enforcement with info. The problem comes - and it so frequently does - when someone publicly says (ie tweets or posts on other platforms) this is the person we've been looking for, which even more frequently leads to these types of harassment. This tweeter did not mistakenly ID the guy, they just pointed out that the individual pictured likely committed crimes (which was true). And BTW, this type of thing happens (less frequently) with legit news media as well, and even with law enforcement (perhaps least frequently). Richard Jewell comes to mind (the movie of that title they made about the story from last year was really good). The issue is mistakenly ID'ing someone - and of course the harassment itself (even if the ID was correct).

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Re: Civil War?
« Reply #428 on: January 14, 2021, 03:03:47 PM »
And I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you mean the posting on twitter is the problem, not the investigating.
I am not sure how else to possibly understand
"Twitter, do your thing"
than to be complaining about the use of Twitter AND SPECIFICALLY HIS/HER ASKING PEOPLE TO IDENTIFY PUBLICLY ON TWITTER.

The problem comes - and it so frequently does - when someone publicly says (ie tweets or posts on other platforms) this is the person we've been looking for, which even more frequently leads to these types of harassment. This tweeter did not mistakenly ID the guy, they just pointed out that the individual pictured likely committed crimes (which was true).
My recollection is that the original tweet also had a video of the accused person at a different protest.
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Re: Civil War?
« Reply #429 on: January 14, 2021, 03:09:07 PM »
https://twitter.com/jivedurkey/status/1349732479440048135?s=21

Not saying nothing was taken out of context, but still chilling
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Re: Civil War?
« Reply #430 on: January 14, 2021, 03:45:26 PM »
I am not sure how else to possibly understandthan to be complaining about the use of Twitter AND SPECIFICALLY HIS/HER ASKING PEOPLE TO IDENTIFY PUBLICLY ON TWITTER.
My recollection is that the original tweet also had a video of the accused person at a different protest.

The tweet had 2 different pics from 1/6, no videos. Shockingly, the post that seems to have first mistakenly identified him is actually still up on twitter.

The reason why publicly ID'in (say, on twitter) is bad - aside from the potential of ID'ing the wrong person - is because literally the only reason to do that instead of just sending the info to the FBI is because you want people to see what a good sleuth you are. And that's just pathetic. I will say that I've seen a lot of good collaboration with these things on twitter/reddit/etc, but make you group of co-sleuths or whatever and take it somewhere private, and share your results with law enforcement, not with the twitter mob.

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« Reply #431 on: January 14, 2021, 04:00:40 PM »
The tweet had 2 different pics from 1/6, no videos. Shockingly, the post that seems to have first mistakenly identified him is actually still up on twitter.

The reason why publicly ID'in (say, on twitter) is bad - aside from the potential of ID'ing the wrong person - is because literally the only reason to do that instead of just sending the info to the FBI is because you want people to see what a good sleuth you are. And that's just pathetic. I will say that I've seen a lot of good collaboration with these things on twitter/reddit/etc, but make you group of co-sleuths or whatever and take it somewhere private, and share your results with law enforcement, not with the twitter mob.
EXACTLY! don't say "Twitter do your thing"
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Re: Civil War?
« Reply #432 on: January 14, 2021, 04:43:02 PM »
Here is the criminal complaint against the REAL perp who was actually arrested

https://www.justice.gov/opa/page/file/1353926/download

In a footnote:
3 During the course of this investigation, the FBI received an anonymous tip that another individual was the subject in the still photographs referenced above. The individual resided in Illinois. Upon further investigation, the FBI learned that the individual’s name did not appear on flight manifests to the D.C. area for the relevant time frame. Additionally, the logs from License Plate Readers in the District of Columbia did not indicate that the individual’s vehicle entered the District of Columbia during the relevant time frame. Law enforcement also learned through that individual’s attorney that the individual had an alibi for the time of the incident at the United States Capitol building. Finally, upon examining photographs of the individual and comparing them to the still photographs of the footage from the Capitol grounds referenced above, there are differences between the individual’s facial features and the facial features of the person in the still photographs, specifically, the individual’s nose appears to be different and the individuals eyebrow shape also appears different.
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« Reply #433 on: January 14, 2021, 05:07:32 PM »
... the individuals eyebrow shape also appears different.
Lol, the eyebrow difference was the first thing I noticed.

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« Reply #434 on: January 14, 2021, 05:11:51 PM »
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Re: Civil War?
« Reply #437 on: January 14, 2021, 11:07:39 PM »
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« Reply #438 on: January 15, 2021, 12:08:20 AM »
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Re: Civil War?
« Reply #439 on: January 15, 2021, 12:56:47 AM »
Apparently they are using cell location

Par 20 in the complaint here
https://www.cleveland.com/crime/2021/01/former-cleveland-schools-therapist-arrested-on-federal-charges-involving-attack-at-us-capitol.html
If only they would use all these resources to detect and discover the numerous shooters in NYC who were never arrested during the recent spike, instead of going all after a 50 yr old woman therapist who lost her mind that day to mob mentality and ENTERED the capital building ::)